“But the great things is, suddenly a position where I thought South Africa were perhaps lacking for the last 10 years or so -- we had one or two flyhalves, but not too many who could create or play tactically – (now boasts) four or five great options.

“I’ve also been very impressed by Peter Grant lately. He’s playing his best rugby, so he’s an option.

“As for Goosen, I do believe he can become the best flyhalf in the world when he reaches a mature age. I’ve chatted to him a lot, and told him I like the way he puts his body on the line, is very physical ... I want that from a flyhalf or any player representing South Africa for that matter.

“The injury is a blow, and he’ll get others in his career, but he’s mentally tough and hopefully the rehab goes well and he’ll be back playing. He’s a guy we can definitely (earmark) for the future, with some special attributes.

“But Patrick Lambie is another youngster in the running and Elton Jantjies was impressive in the camp.

“So yes, suddenly there are fine flyhalves and that’s why I think our backline play will improve.

The sad truth is Saffer, that opinions are just like assholes - and will remain that way until Goosen plays at International level and proves himself. Saying he's made it at Super XV therefore he'll make it at test level is a bit of a joke. Many do, but an equal number do not. We're talking #10 here boet.

Steyn and Lambie have done so, Goosen has not. Do I think Goosen can be great - potentially, but I'm not going to call him the messiah right now like you bandwagoners.

That's just the thing though, Lambie has NOT proved anything at international level at 10.

How many full games has he played at 10 for the Boks? Has he stuffed up the minutes he's played at 10?

You're not proving your point though...not "stuffing up" is hardly proof that he's the answer at 10. Goosen has that X factor, the first "all-rounded" 10 I've seen in SA for years. Lambie has played better at 15 than at 10 for the Boks imo.

FFS Saffer, you are obtuse - there you go again with the "X" factor and Goosen. How do you know he'll have the "X" factor at international level? In fact I recall you saying Steyn and Lambie had X factor but now you seem to be insinuating Lambie is a plodder who can play 15 until someone better come along as Goosen is the best thing since sliced bread - even at international level - where he's never played.

Yes, we agree on Frans Steyn.

Yes, everyone was saying the same about lambie as well if you recall.

Yes, Goosen can potentially be a special player at international level, Saffer, but where we differ is that I'd like to see him play a couple tests before annointing him and putting him ahead of everyone else in the pecking order...capiche?

Changing topic, who are you up against this weekend and what are your chances? I thought you'd hung up the boots and were only coaching now but I see you made a comeback?

OK, I thought you were playing it this weekend. Have you got a shot to win both or more of a reach?

I commented on your kicking performance on FB but you ignored it.

If you do get thru and get on TV - and surprisingly find yourself with the ball in hand and tryline in front of you - just don't do any one hand up in the air shit and drop the ball OK

We have a chance at winning both for sure. Hopefully we get through the first without any injuries, etc. Saturday/Sunday games are rough. I'll go for a "Phillip Burger" dive when scoring!

Not content with hectoring us about some Paarl nobodies, you even go on about our own players now. In fact he's not been "a fullback his entire life", he played a few positions at school including flyhalf. Was injured for a season and came back as a fullback for his last two years.

Springer, the sad truth is that Lambie just doesn't have the real goods. I rate him and had hi hopes but Goosen's pedigree is better. And the Steyn show this morning was klarse. I've never seen Lambie run a game like that.

Your Sharks bias always shines through.

I am still waiting for your confesion, suur poeier soutie poes.

Calm down.

He's a much better player than Morne, you'll eat those words.

Everyone has got very excited by me posting on this thread. Calm down chaps.

So you're googling now?

The worst thing is, not only did you google up your facts, about players you know very little about. You still got it wrong, read what I posted again please:

The Wiki quote of yours, supports what I say.

I am not googling you dumb cunt. I knew it all along. Plum gave him the 10 jersey when Meyer got injured, your Pom 10 went home and your Leapard poach wasnt up to it and Pienaar and Steyn vokoff. He havent got other options to play Lambie in 10 and had to keep place for Oupa Terreblanche.

Maybe a bit off topic here but with all the #10 talent coming through in SA rugby, what has happened to the next great #9, SA have always produced great 9s, but this year I don't really see a standout player.
Is this going to be a problem for the Boks? or will Ruan get the call to come back?

Oom - he is talking about where he played in high school and the fact that what you wrote actually reinforced what Ox had said.

Cheers assfly, forgot about Hougaard, you're right, he is quality.

Boet you lot dont get it, he played 15 all his life till Plumtree had no other options in 10 and chucked him in. We had this one many times before and everytime I have to show them up.

No, this isn't true. Fucks sake just read what I posted. He did play at 10 at school, got injured for a year came back and played 15 for the last two years of school. Your own quote you googled up confirms this, The long term plan at the Sharks was to move him to the 10 jersey over time, Plumtree stated that. Many of the great 10s started in a different jersey, centre usually. It's what has happened. We have talked about this before you are correct, and all you show up is how stubborn and ignorant you are.

What any of it matters fuck knows, JP played 15 at school (and played his first test there), Jaque Fourie also, even Bakkies Botha did in primary school. None of them you would regard as a fullback.

Anyways ...

Lambie 28 - 16 'Landers

Wiki

Quote:
School careerPatrick Lambie was not a prodigious rugby player during his Clifton Preparatory school years, but he came into his own while attending Michaelhouse school. He played in the highest level teams in all of the u14,u15 and u16 age groups at Michaelhouse. He suffered an elbow injury in his 2006 year which sidelined him for most of the season. In 2007, Lambie made the Michaelhouse first team as fullback and went on to play both KZN at Craven Week and S.A. Schools. In 2008, Patrick Lambie became headboy of Michaelhouse and both first team rugby and cricket captain. In 2008 Patrick once again made the KZN Craven week and S.A. Schools sides. His cacks were Robert Anderson and Mark Brown. Lambie attained more than a 80% win rate with his two years of Michaelhouse's first team, and never lost in any sport to Hilton who is Michaelhouse's "rival" school. While Lambie played in the Michaelhouse first rugby team they were ranked in the top ten rugby schools in the country. Lambie was both the KZN cricket and KZN Craven Week captain.

You're wrong. Swearing wont change that. He didn't play 15 all the way through school, again you need to read what you're quoting chief, neither has he played his "entire career" at fullback.

He played a fair bit of the 2010 CC campaign at flyhalf remember, including the final. Against your own team. He scored 2 tries, 3 conversions and 3 penalties that day. All the Sharks points that day except for 1 McLeod try. The reason Plumtree signed older players, was because Lambie is/was a kid and he values older mature players, even in the backline. He has a general bias in favour of age and experience.

Kak story again and you still cant read. Must I post in afrikaans dom doos.

He played his first game flyhalf for the Sharks against the Lions in CC 2010 on 7 August 2010. Thats when he DEBUTED in 10.

He did NOT played 10 at school, he played 15 for his school and played 15 all his career for all the teams including the Sharks youth and senior teams till Plumtree had no other option to keep Oupa Terreblanche in 15, vok he even try to revert Luddick to the wing in order to keep his captain in 15.

Lambie set to beat Elton to Bok cap
Craig Ray | 03 November, 2010 00:44
Patrick Lambie during the Springboks training and media conference session at Hype Park High School on November 01, 2010 in Johannesburg, South Africa.
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Elton Jantjies may have won the Young Player of the Year award, but fellow 20-year-old Pat Lambie is set to be the first of the two friends to earn a Test cap.

Lambie, who scored 25 points for the Sharks in Saturday's Currie Cup final against Western Province, is sure to feature in the match 22 against Ireland at Lansdowne Road on Saturday.

He and Golden Lions flyhalf Jantjies both represented the SA Under-20s this year, are good friends and have watched each other's careers take off in 2010. And both want to settle at flyhalf.

Lambie made his mark in the Super 14 as a fullback before finding his home at flyhalf during the Currie Cup.

Jantjies has been a revelation in the Currie Cup and has proved to be one of the most accurate goal-kickers in the country. At one stage he slotted 20 consecutive kicks at goal over three weeks.

But Lambie's versatility will give him the nod for international honours. His mature display to guide the Sharks to a 30-10 win over WP augured well for the rigours of Test rugby.

Lambie, though, needs to be wary of ending up like other talented all-rounders Brent Russell and Ruan Pienaar.

Sharks coach John Plumtree has always had a plan for Lambie. During the Super 14 he said Lambie was gaining experience at fullback and that ultimately he'd play flyhalf.

During the Currie Cup, Plumtree moved Lambie to inside centre, explaining that it was another step closer to flyhalf. And the coach, true to his word, deployed Lambie at flyhalf.

"The guy [Lambie] has just grown unbelievably this season," Plumtree said. "He took quite a few shifts mentally and decided that he was going to grow up real quick and be the man in this Currie Cup."

Lambie and Jantjies came face- to-face earlier in the Currie Cup, when the former made his debut at flyhalf. On that occasion the Sharks won 48-19, with Lambie scoring 28 points.

In head-to-head encounters with his great mate Jantjies, Lambie is leading the battle.

"I really enjoyed playing in the same side as Elton at the world championships," Lambie told The Times. "He has good feet and enjoys taking the ball to the line and testing defences, so it will be a good challenge for both of us.

"The move to 12 [inside centre] was a progression to move me closer to the ball. The coach [Plumtree] would have liked me to play more matches at inside centre before moving me to flyhalf, but with injuries at the Sharks I got a chance sooner than expected.

"I never worry about my size because once you get on the field the adrenalin is pumping and everything happens quickly, so there is not much time to think about size and whether I belong."

Read all of this please:
http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2010/08/03 ... alf-shift/

It's the game preview for the match you mention. It's always been the plan to move him to 10, it is where he wants to play, he did play there at school. I don't know why you can't accept it.

Read all of this please:
http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2010/08/03 ... alf-shift/

It's the game preview for the match you mention. It's always been the plan to move him to 10, it is where he wants to play, he did play there at school. I don't know why you can't accept it.

Lambie happy to play flyhalf
by Gavin Rich 05 August 2010, 10:49

Patrick Lambie has backed up his Sharks coach John Plumtree’s claim that he is happy to play flyhalf in Saturday’s Absa Currie Cup clash with the Lions.

Plumtree earlier this week appeared to anticipate some antipathy from the Durban public towards his decision to switch Lambie again for he made quite a vigorous defence of the selection to reporters. Plumtree said that flyhalf was Lambie’s preferred position and that he wanted to play there.

The 19-year-old started his Sharks career as a fullback against the Highlanders in the recent Super 14 before being moved to inside centre during the Currie Cup. So his appearance at flyhalf will be his third positional switch in what is still a relatively fledgling career.

However, while Lambie says he is happy to try flyhalf and “get closer to the ball”, he also admits that he is not quite decided just yet on what would be his preferred position.

“I played flyhalf before I played fullback. I played flyhalf in grade eight, nine and 10, and moved to fullback in grade 11 and 12,” said Lambie.

The former Michaelhouse star said all his successes had come at fullback – he played SA Schools in the position – but he wasn’t quite sure at the moment which position he would like to specialise in.

“I am not so sure about flyhalf, I am not so sure about fullback or even centre at the moment, I just want to do the best that I can in each position, and if I get more time in those positions, then I will have a better idea of what I prefer.”

Lambie was talking at the WP High Performance Centre in Bellville, Cape Town, where he was the recipient of the Absa Currie Cup Player of the Month award. Allister Coetzee won the coaches award, and the WP coach was full of praise for the young Sharks player.

“He has really played well this month and thoroughly deserves the award,” said Coetzee.

Lambie is young in years but with Australia showing the way when it comes to blooding players who are around the 20-year mark, it should not be seen as completely inconceivable that Lambie could be involved in the Springbok World Cup challenge next year.

His match-winning performance for the Sharks against the Cheetahs last weekend came at a similar stage of the build-up to the 2007 World Cup that Frans Steyn burst onto the scene, also for the Sharks in 2006.

“When you see other young players playing for their country it does give you hope that you can do it too,” said Lambie.

"I definitely take something from the fact that someone like James O'Connor is my age and has already played a whole bunch of games for Australia."

Lambie is the son of former Natal utility back Ian Lambie (the B Section years) and grew up supporting the Sharks. He played cricket for Natal Schools - "I bowled a bit, but was mainly a batsman" - but now, like most rugby players, lists golf as his favourite other sport. Like a lot of Sharks players, he is also trying his hand at surfing in his spare time.