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Ali's Choice
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Assuming he ever did.


FFS.

UncleFB does nothing but troll your team and your team's coach. And then you post bullshit like this to try and support his bullshit comments?

He made the point repeatedly last year that Hammett was unwilling or unable to connect with Polynesian players. I'm simply asking for clarification on this, and an apology.
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Nonu played great rugby for the 'canes last year, as did Hore.

Clearly they did this despite Hammett.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
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I hear Weepu and Nonu turned up for there clubs in Wellington today.
What's that about?
A J Whetton having a moan about it.


If that's true then they are taking the absolute mickey out of Lam. And passively attempting to assert their control over the embattled coach. Both players are emerging as cancerous influences at S15 level, across different teams. This is the 2nd season in a row where they have directly challenged the authority of their coach. Last year Hammett was widely criticised for being unable to motivate these two players, with posters such as rugga and UncleFB playing the race card, claiming that as a caucasian Hammett didn't understand Polynesian players. Well Lam is Polynesian, what excuse will supporters of Weepu and Nonu make now considering their form is worse this year than last? Maybe Lam is too Polynesian? I would hate to have either Nonu or Weepu at the Crusaders, and any team in NZ that signs either player would have to be stupid or fucking desperate.

BTW UncleFB, are you going to apologise to Hammett for playing the race card last year, and suggesting that Hammett was unwilling or unable to connect with players of Polynesian backgrounds?

FFS, AC, just because the old board has been wiped it doesn't mean you can just make shit up and not be called on it. Just stop it with this bullshit, your love and affection for Hammett is turning you a little crazy.

I never played the race card - as any one around here would know I firmly played the a) Hammett is inexperienced and not from the region, and b) there were better candidates (both in the region and out) cards. Which I standby.


You fucking did. Just because the board has been wiped doesn't mean you can't pretend you weren't hysterical last season about Hammett. We both know what you posted and we both know you are lying when you deny playing the race card.

I distinctly remember you saying that the Caucasian Hammett couldn't connect with Polynesian players, and using examples of Weepu, Nonu and Gear to illustrate this point. You then went on to blame Hammett's inability to connect with and motivate Polynesian players on the fact that his coaching experience had been at the Crusaders, which is a predominately white team. You made this point more than once, taking great delight in doing so every time you did.

FFS, AC, I don't mind a bit of banter with you now and then but if you're just going to keep spreading bullshit I'm not going to bother. I have a lot of problems with Hammett, that he's from the Crusaders is one of them, however the ethnic makeup of the Crusaders has nothing to do with, but in all honesty you're just being a trolling dick with this whole line. Get back to me when you're not just making up bullshit.
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Furthermore, your attempt to lump all the woes of the Blues on Weepu and Nonu is as feeble and ill thought out that you could have a fine career as a NZ sports journalists - if you ever decide you want to live in NZ.


I've made countless comments on this thread about the need for Pat Lam to be sacked immediately, for the NZRU and Blues boards to get proactive at the Bluesd and for wholesale changes at Blues board level and within the Blues playing squad. Yet you deliberately choose to ignore these comments, and come out with bullshit comments like this. Well done.
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AC's a schizophrenic, compulsive liar.
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FFS, AC, I don't mind a bit of banter with you now and then but if you're just going to keep spreading bullshit I'm not going to bother. I have a lot of problems with Hammett, that he's from the Crusaders is one of them, however the ethnic makeup of the Crusaders has nothing to do with, but in all honesty you're just being a trolling dick with this whole line. Get back to me when you're not just making up bullshit.


You're lying. You said that Hammett couldn't get the best out of Polynesian players and now you're backtracking because the same players are playing worse under a Polynesian coach and former Samoan test player. Fuck I wish I had access to your posting history from last year. You deserve to be held to account for some of your hysterical anti-Hammett trolling from 2011.
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AC's a schizophrenic, compulsive liar.

:nod:
Especially when he gets into trolling mode which he seems to have slipped back into of late. :((
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Ali's Choice
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indomite wrote:
AC's a schizophrenic, compulsive liar.


:lol: I love you too.

What I find funny is that after 12 months of relentless anti-Hammett trolling by posters like UncleFB, and countless anti-Hammett threads saturating the forum on a weekly basis, the revisionism has started. Suddenly nothing mean or nasty was ever said about him. Suddenly no-one ever mentioned that he wasn't able to work with Polynesian players. Aided by a complete wipe of all posting histories suddenly all these hysterical anti-Hammett trolls never really minded him that much. And they can't remember posting anything nasty about him.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
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FFS, AC, I don't mind a bit of banter with you now and then but if you're just going to keep spreading bullshit I'm not going to bother. I have a lot of problems with Hammett, that he's from the Crusaders is one of them, however the ethnic makeup of the Crusaders has nothing to do with, but in all honesty you're just being a trolling dick with this whole line. Get back to me when you're not just making up bullshit.


You're lying. You said that Hammett couldn't get the best out of Polynesian players and now you're backtracking because the same players are playing worse under a Polynesian coach and former Samoan test player. Fuck I wish I had access to your posting history from last year. You deserve to be held to account for some of your hysterical anti-Hammett trolling from 2011.

You know what AC, say what you like, it's well known how much bullshit you spout on here. If you had access to my posting history then you'd realise how much of a cock you're being.

I'm not going to bother arguing about this with you any more.
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UncleFB wrote:
You know what AC, say what you like, it's well known how much bullshit you spout on here. If you had access to my posting history then you'd realise how much of a cock you're being.

I'm not going to bother arguing about this with you any more.


You are lying and you know it. You played the race card throughout 2011.

I can't access those posts. But on page 1 on 'The Mark Hammett Thread' on this board, you allude to these comments which you made many times last year.

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Thirdly, if Hammett can't find a way for dealing with the Polynesian players (I assume you mean Maori as well as I am including them in this discussion) then the Canes are fucked.

viewtopic.php?t=2977

Explain what you meant by this if you weren't inferring that Hammett didn't have issues working with Polynesian and Maori players?
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You still around UncleFB?
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Ali's Choice
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theaxe wrote:
indomite wrote:
AC's a schizophrenic, compulsive liar.

:nod:
Especially when he gets into trolling mode which he seems to have slipped back into of late. :((


You've now accused me of being a liar too. And a troll. All because I accused UncleFB of doing something he did repeatedly.

What do you think UncleFB meant by this comment if he wasn't inferring that Hammett wasn't able to work well with Polynesian and Maori players last year?


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Thirdly, if Hammett can't find a way for dealing with the Polynesian players (I assume you mean Maori as well as I am including them in this discussion) then the Canes are fucked.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2977
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Ali's Choice wrote:
theaxe wrote:
indomite wrote:
AC's a schizophrenic, compulsive liar.

:nod:
Especially when he gets into trolling mode which he seems to have slipped back into of late. :((


You've now accused me of being a liar too. And a troll. All because I accused UncleFB of doing something he did repeatedly.

What do you think UncleFB meant by this comment if he wasn't inferring that Hammett wasn't able to work well with Polynesian and Maori players last year?


UncleFB wrote:
Thirdly, if Hammett can't find a way for dealing with the Polynesian players (I assume you mean Maori as well as I am including them in this discussion) then the Canes are fucked.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2977


He was responding to another poster.

Now you've stated on this thread that in his comment he was alluding to comments he's made in the past. Now clearly he wasn't: you've just shown that you're a liar, and that you don't know what allude means.

And that you're a bit thick.
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Ali's Choice
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Indomite,

Yes he is responding to another poster. But his comment is telling. And given the post wipe on the new bored, this was the first example I could find to him playing the race card.

Quite clearly UncleFB is making the point that unless Hammett can somehow find a way to work with Polynesian this year, the Canes have no chance. A clear, undeniable inference that Hammett couldn't work with Polynesian players last year.

An apology for calling me a liar would be appreciated.

BTW, I love the way you loyally jump in to support UncleFB, like his knight in shining armour. A poster who turned his back on the Canes and who spends his days trolling the team you claim to support.
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indomite wrote:
He was responding to another poster.

Now you've stated on this thread that in his comment he was alluding to comments he's made in the past. Now clearly he wasn't: you've just shown that you're a liar, and that you don't know what allude means.

And that you're a bit thick.


I just love the way correcting posters use of english gives you a little hard-on.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
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You know what AC, say what you like, it's well known how much bullshit you spout on here. If you had access to my posting history then you'd realise how much of a cock you're being.

I'm not going to bother arguing about this with you any more.


You are lying and you know it. You played the race card throughout 2011.

I can't access those posts. But on page 1 on 'The Mark Hammett Thread' on this board, you allude to these comments which you made many times last year.

UncleFB wrote:
Thirdly, if Hammett can't find a way for dealing with the Polynesian players (I assume you mean Maori as well as I am including them in this discussion) then the Canes are fucked.

viewtopic.php?t=2977

Explain what you meant by this if you weren't inferring that Hammett didn't have issues working with Polynesian and Maori players?

Nice try AC, but if you read the whole thing you'll see I was replying to the axe comment about Cooper being able to work with Polynesian players. I think you need to go back and re-read it. Where am I saying that 'he can't' in relation to Hammett? I'm saying that 'if he can't' the Canes are fucked. That's a lot different from this allegation from you:
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UncleFB playing the race card, claiming that as a caucasian Hammett didn't understand Polynesian players.


And how do you factor in the Pakeha Hore to this race card business?

Edit: Indomite beat me too it, cheers :thumbup: .
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Ali's Choice wrote:
Indomite,

Yes he is responding to another poster. But his comment is telling. And given the post wipe on the new bored, this was the first example I could find to him playing the race card.

Quite clearly UncleFB is making the point that unless Hammett can somehow find a way to work with Polynesian this year, the Canes have no chance. A clear, undeniable inference that Hammett couldn't work with Polynesian players last year.

An apology for calling me a liar would be appreciated.

BTW, I love the way you loyally jump in to support UncleFB, like his knight in shining armour. A poster who turned his back on the Canes and who spends his days trolling the team you claim to support.


Or it might just be an indication that there's a large number of Polynesians in the 'canes.

Your insinuations are distasteful. Your demands for an apology pitiful.

And your interpretation of my "support" for UncleFB childish.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
indomite wrote:
He was responding to another poster.

Now you've stated on this thread that in his comment he was alluding to comments he's made in the past. Now clearly he wasn't: you've just shown that you're a liar, and that you don't know what allude means.

And that you're a bit thick.


I just love the way correcting posters use of english gives you a little hard-on.


I love the way you love to think about other posters' hard-ons. :uhoh:

Please note I didn't correct any of the mistakes in your post. I have no desire to be priapic.
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Ali's Choice
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Nice try AC, but if you read the whole thing you'll see I was replying to the axe comment about Cooper being able to work with Polynesian players. I think you need to go back and re-read it. Where am I saying that 'he can't' in relation to Hammett? I'm saying that 'if he can't' the Canes are fucked. That's a lot different from this allegation from you:


I'm not sure how anyone could take anything out of your comment apart from the fact that quite clearly you don't think Hammett can work with Polynesian players. A point you made repeatedly last year. Remember, Hammett had already worked at the Canes for a year. Polynesians such as Cruden and Vito had had their best ever S15 seasons. Yet you still decided to cast doubt on Hammett's ability to work with players of certain cultural backgrounds. That's called playing the race card. Something you have denied doing repeatedly.

Here's your comment again (minus the bracket where you clarify what you mean by "Polynesian")

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Thirdly, if Hammett can't find a way for dealing with the Polynesian players then the Canes are fucked.


Clearly you are casting serious doubts on his ability to work with players of certain cultural backgrounds.

Now can you please apologise to Hammett. And to Polynesians for somehow implying that we require different or special treatment to pakehas and non-Polynesians.
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Oh dear, AC, trying a wee bit too hard.
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indomite wrote:
Oh dear, AC, trying a wee bit too hard.


Perhaps. But I have been accused by you and other of lying, and I take offense to that. Clearly UncleFB has played the race card when on the Mark Hammett Thread he infers that Hammett has been previously unable to work with players of Polynesian descent. Funnily enough these same players are playing worse under a Polynesian coach, presumably because he is too Polynesian and doesn't connect with their more liberal, Westernised Kiwi upbringings?

Once again UncleFB's comment. I'd like some feedback from other, neutral posters. Reading this comment, would you be left with the impression that UncleFB felt Hammett had issues dealing with players from certain cultural backgrounds? And if so, which cultural backgrounds do you think UncleFB was referring to?

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Clearly UncleFB has played the race card when on the Mark Hammett Thread he infers that Hammett has been previously unable to work with players of Polynesian descent.


Not wanting to get involved but..... Are you playing the race card against the race card?

Ace v Ace?


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AC - honestly bro, you're having a shocker here. Time to back away.
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AC - honestly bro, you're having a shocker here. Time to back away.


Tend to agree.

Words typed in anger is one thing.
When they're typed with a sense of injustice & indignation is quite another..

:lol: :lol: :lol:


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AC - honestly bro, you're having a shocker here. Time to back away.


You've already accused me of lying, and hinted that I've never even lived in NZ, so I'm not sure how to respond to your request.

Lots of posters made some hysterical, outlandish comments about Mark Hammett last year. Including the fact that he was unable to handle players of Polynesian descent. Despite your claims to the contrary, I have not made these allegations up. I found the comments distasteful at the time(somehow inferring that Samoans and Tongans needed to be managed), so perhaps I remember them more clearly than you do? I think people should be held to account for what they said back in 2011. Especially given the fact that Ma'a Nonu and Piri Weepu are now playing worse footy whilst being coached by a Polynesian.
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Clearly UncleFB has played the race card when on the Mark Hammett Thread he infers that Hammett has been previously unable to work with players of Polynesian descent.


Not wanting to get involved but..... Are you playing the race card against the race card?

Ace v Ace?

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Ali's Choice wrote:
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AC - honestly bro, you're having a shocker here. Time to back away.


You've already accused me of lying, and hinted that I've never even lived in NZ, so I'm not sure how to respond to your request.

Lots of posters made some hysterical, outlandish comments about Mark Hammett last year. Including the fact that he was unable to handle players of Polynesian descent. Despite your claims to the contrary, I have not made these allegations up. I found the comments distasteful at the time(somehow inferring that Samoans and Tongans needed to be managed), so perhaps I remember them more clearly than you do? I think people should be held to account for what they said back in 2011. Especially given the fact that Ma'a Nonu and Piri Weepu are now playing worse footy whilst being coached by a Polynesian.

1) Bully is Maori for a start and 2) If you are basing this on the quote you provided you are being beyond precious.
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Especially given the fact that Ma'a Nonu and Piri Weepu are now playing worse footy whilst being coached by a Polynesian.


Are you suggesting that a pair of RWC winners can fall so far so fast on account of the ethnicity of their coach??


We can play this game all day...
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1) Bully is Maori for a start and 2) If you are basing this on the quote you provided you are being beyond precious.


I am basing my accusations on lengthy discussions between UncleFB and myself last year. UncleFB has subsequently denied ever accusing Hammett of having issues with dealing with Polynesians, I provided a comment which shows this denial to be completely false.

Again, I'm not sure how anyone could read this and not be left with the impression that according to UncleFB, Hammett had trouble "dealing" with Polynesian players.

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Thirdly, if Hammett can't find a way for dealing with the Polynesian players then the Canes are fucked.
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Thirdly, if Hammett can't find a way for dealing with the Polynesian players then the Canes are fucked.


The word "if"

"if"

"If Hammett..


No??

Bro.. If my aunty had balls.. she'd be my uncle
:lol: :lol: :lol:


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Jesus AC posting it in bold repeatedly does not remove the context of the comment. I think you should go back and read the post and the post it was replying to - post them both in bold and see if you can figure it out.
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Jesus AC posting it in bold repeatedly does not remove the context of the comment. I think you should go back and read the post and the post it was replying to - post them both in bold and see if you can figure it out.


Mate, the meaning behind your comment is as clear as day. Like you did on many occasions last year, you were once again suggesting that Hammett has issues "dealing" with Polynesians. I argued with you about these comments last year.

You're a liar. A straight up liar. At least when I make bold comments I stand by them. You played the race card against Hammett throughout 2011 and now you're denying doing so because you have proven wrong, safe in the knowledge that your posting history has been wiped. I'd have more respect for you if you simply stood by your comments and admitted that you were wrong. That's called being mature.
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The comment is taken out of context but no smoke without fire I reckon.
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I don't see how Penny next year would make a difference.


So why dump Lam at all? If no coach will make a difference to the Blues form, then why bother replacing him?


Can you please point out where in what you quoted me on did I say Lam shouldn't be dumped?
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Jesus AC posting it in bold repeatedly does not remove the context of the comment. I think you should go back and read the post and the post it was replying to - post them both in bold and see if you can figure it out.


Mate, the meaning behind your comment is as clear as day. Like you did on many occasions last year, you were once again suggesting that Hammett has issues "dealing" with Polynesians. I argued with you about these comments last year.

You're a liar. A straight up liar. At least when I make bold comments I stand by them. You played the race card against Hammett throughout 2011 and now you're denying doing so because you have proven wrong, safe in the knowledge that your posting history has been wiped. I'd have more respect for you if you simply stood by your comments and admitted that you were wrong. That's called being mature.

:yawn: You're the only one lying and then you're using selective quoting to try and back up your lies.

I've given Hammett's abilities as a coach lots of shit, and I've given the selection process that put him in their lots of shit but I haven't played the race card for Polynesians (Nonu) or for Pakeha (Hore). The only one even bringing up race is you.
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I've given Hammett's abilities as a coach lots of shit, and I've given the selection process that put him in their lots of shit but I haven't played the race card for Polynesians (Nonu) or for Pakeha (Hore). The only one even bringing up race is you.


Yet before the season started you wrote this?

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Thirdly, if Hammett can't find a way for dealing with the Polynesian players then the Canes are fucked.


Quite clearly you felt last year Hammett couldn't "deal" with Polynesian players, otherwise you would not have made this comment.
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I still think Hammet is shite. His forward pack gets beaten up every weak and survives on 30% possession. His 7th place on the table flatters him thanks to some brilliant counter attacking outside backs, but if sharks, tahs or reds win this weekend they can all overtake the canes again.
The teams below them ( lions, Blues, force, rebels, cheetahs) arent much chop either , and if u want to beat the canes all you have to do is take them on up front, scrum them , maul them off the park. The wont threaten the playoffs but with a bit of luck may avoid the bottom half of the table.
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Tehui
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 8:13 am 
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It's like watching an old married couple quarrel. I reckon AC & UFB should put down their keyboards and settle it like men.

Scissors, rock, or paper?
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theaxe
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mal007 wrote:
I still think Hammet is shite. His forward pack gets beaten up every weak and survives on 30% possession. His 7th place on the table flatters him thanks to some brilliant counter attacking outside backs, but if sharks, tahs or reds win this weekend they can all overtake the canes again.
The teams below them ( lions, Blues, force, rebels, cheetahs) arent much chop either , and if u want to beat the canes all you have to do is take them on up front, scrum them , maul them off the park. The wont threaten the playoffs but with a bit of luck may avoid the bottom half of the table.

Honestly Mal, the forwards aren't as bad as all that. Assuming we go with a front row of May/Coles/Goodes we will do just fine. Toomaga-Allen just isn't up to it but I better be careful lest AC accuse me of having an issue with Polynesian players, he seems to have a bee in his bonnet about that after all... ;)
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