i dont

but you're comment was disingenuous - moaning about the ref all game, and then coming on here with a 'compliment' for the ref after your team won

That is a sticker

Give over. Go and read through your posts on this thread again. It's a litany of bitching about the ref and the officials, again and again and again. But the Bulls won, and suddenly the ref had a good game. It's not a good look.

Incorrect.

I moaned about the traditional lop-sided penalty count.

I also stated at the time that he was facilitating a classy game.

It's there to read if you choose to do so.

Anyway, back to Spies.

Are there other candidates the Bok coach will look at, or is Spies a shoe-in?

I think Vermeulen for the Stormers shows much better, solid 8th man skills.

I also really like Johnson from the Cheetahs. Seems to have a complete game and also very abrasive and physical. Think the Cheetahs coach doesn't think much of his stamina though.

Agreed.

it does seem though that Meyer will stick with Spies.

Which is certainly to the Boks detriment, I suppose.

I'm not one for playing players out of position, but you'd wonder what somebody like Burger, or that large Bulls flanker Potgieter would be like at 8th man.

Saying that, it would be like playing Spies at 8th man again I suppose. The 8 is such a vital link, and needs a specific skill-set.

well done the rebels
most entertaining

Aren't the Boks getting their defense coach?

Way to go on the selective quoting.

Get out a bit more, why don't you?

There is no other forward in SA that is more certain of his spot in the Bok team than Pierre, maybe Brussouw or Bismarck, but I doubt it….

It took me all of about 5 seconds to find this from the same time.

What is the reason for that?

Meyer strikes me as an intelligent man.

Mate, it doesn't matter what else you posted, or especially that you made a few noises about decent refereeing towards the end. What is plain for all to see is some world class bitching and moaning about the ref and officials, which at least three other posters called you on. But feel free to ignore that and pretend you weren't constantly whinging about the ref, OK?

I look forward to calling someone a fokken mimbo over the weekend.

yeh, exactly what i mean about coming across as insincere or disingenuous after /during all the other bitching

Meyer “found” Pierre, signed him, started him in super rugby even before he played curriecup, gave him a run on wing when there was no place in the pack. I think it is fair to say that he believes in him. Besides, his competition for bok 8 is paper thin.

Competition for captain is also starting to look thin (except if Schalk can return soon). Don’t believe all this talk about JdV being a possible captain. Meyer knows the capetown press is dissecting every move he makes (especially since he signed the blue brigade to help him coach). He is only making the right noises for now to placate them. Once the chips are down, his captain will probably be true blue, matfield, du preez, spies in that order (I think Schalk has a shot though).

While I agree with the sentiment, I don't think Pierre's spot is a sure thing. He can probably be the most confident, but not 100% sure.

Based on form I'd have Johnson ahead of him. There are few contenders though, so his run may be easier than other positions. It's damn shame because there are many loosies that are better than him at present...just not playing No8.

He has been a sour cunt on here from day one. Never passed a compliment to any side barely his own.

LE know more about SA rugby and the S15 then most Saffers. I dont agree with the ref bashing before and during matches and will only bitch if my team is winning but we have more sour cunts here then you think there are. Suur Poeier Poeste is the right word for them.

and congrats to the Brutes, winning their first tour match and leading the SA conferense. I hate this netball scorelines in rugby and thought they would put the Rebels away 50-0.

Presumably you have the stats to support that claim?

You've been caught out lying through selective quoting.

I had a moan about the lopsided penalty count, that seems to always accompany SA sides down under. This I freely admitted and still maintain.

I maintained I also complimented the ref on his general handling of the game at the same time.
You sought to lie by selective quoting by denying me that claim.
I have shown that you selectively omitted this, thus lying by omission.
It took me a couple of seconds, versus your meticulously edited quotes.

Now suddenly it no longer matters.

Stop with the fibbing already.

7-2 at half time.

It happens in almost every match down under.

The Saffer sides must be naughty every first half when they travel, versus the saintly local lads.

It was a sincere comment.

See my reference earlier about the non-issues at scrum time.

Whatever he was doing, he was doing it right.

Thank you for the insight, Bull Azul.

I was referring to the 'traditional' part.
You are inferring that South African sides are penalised more than their Australasian opposition aren't you?

It certainly seems that way, to me at least, in the first halves.

There is also a general leavening process that counters this in the second half.

Serious question: Do refs get to see the stats at half time? What do they do apart from taking fluid in?

So rather than a traditional lop sided penalty count you are suggesting the SA teams, when touring, get penalised more in the first half, the Australasian teams then get penalised more in the 2nd half, and we're all square at the end?

I don't have the stats by half or by venue but I can tell you that in all games between SA teams versus NZ/Aus teams to-date the SA teams have conceeded 237 penalties and the NZ/Aus teams have conceeded 252.

I doubt the refs look at any stats at halftime but I really dont know the answer to that.

Most Penalties Conceded
1. Dean Mumm (Waratahs) 15
1. Derick Minnie (Lions) 15
1. Matthew Hodgson (Force) 15
1. Sona Taumalolo (Chiefs) 15
5. Ben Tameifuna (Chiefs) 13
5. Bismarck du Plessis (Sharks) 13
5. Tiaan Liebenberg (Stormers) 13
5. Werner Kruger (Bulls) 13
9. Coenrad Oosthuizen (Cheetahs) 12
9. David Pocock (Force) 12
9. WP Nel (Cheetahs) 12
12. Ben May (Hurricanes) 11
12. Benn Robinson (Waratahs) 11
12. Heinrich Brussow (Cheetahs) 11
12. James Horwill (Reds) 11
12. Salesi Ma'afu (Force) 11
17. Ben Daley (Reds) 10
17. Brodie Retallick (Chiefs) 10
17. Jason Eaton (Hurricanes) 10
17. Nathan Sharpe (Force) 10

Just shows what a disciplined team the Crusaders are. None of their players featuring in the top 17.

Spies is not a converted loose forward. He played wing for SA u19 and the Bulls for a few games. Thats it. He's an 8 and a shit one at that.

So he played wing until being converted to 8th man?

It was a brownie and it was delicious. I just saw the footage now

Great to know I wasn't just seeing things.

Reduced by half because of his good behaviour.

I always thought the word for male bimbo was a "himbo",

If it's traditional for the Bulls to end up on the wrong side of the PK count perhaps it's their fault and not the referees?

I honestly thought Andrew had a cracker of a game and was on of the best debuts we have seen this year.

Fluid in and talking about trends mainly, stats don't get shown until after the game for most referees. All depends on who you are and what you want to know.