Brady will end up gone.

This bloodstained, scumbag church needs to be eradicated. When will people say enough is enough? Stop donating to collection plate, stop go to services, getting married, having christenings or funerals anywhere around this organisation?

Not been following this story. In brief, whats he done?

Not been following this story. In brief, whats he done?

Mrs Armchair was brought up a Catholic and insisted on getting the kids christened in CofE/CofI instead of the Catholic church.

They are going to end up like the moonies unless they wise up and start clearing out anybody who has broken the law. The fact they haven't suggests that they either consider themselves above the law, or the abuse was so endemic that they know the full extent of it would finish the church.

The problem is that in modern Ireland we still have hordes of 'people' - invariably of a rural persuasion, and thus ill-bred and with a poor education - that go to mass every week and have their children indoctrinated. These people pay no attention to current affairs bar what they hear in the pub or in the church, and are probably unaware of these child abuse crimes. Indeed, they still see the RCC and local parish priest as the only moral teacher in their otherwise dull lives. The likes of Brady will go unpunished because of these 'people'.

I bet they play GAA too?

"In 1975 no State or Church guidelines existed in the Republic of Ireland to assist those responding to an allegation of abuse against a minor. No training was given to priests, teachers, police officers or others who worked regularly with children about how to respond appropriately should such allegations be made"
I find that very hard to believe

Of course.

I bet they play GAA too?

Cammy
Martin doesn't want the job. He wants a nice comfy theological post in the eternal city.

GAA & RCC, two sides of the same coin.

Thankfully the former is nearly dead as attendances and participation rates are showing.

How can they still place themselves as arbiters of morality when they covered this up?

I was listening to a R4 report on this a few days ago and it said the grannies are now beginning to rebel and priests have formed a trades union is that right?

It will end with a schism I reckon. Something along the lines of rank and file priests leading a revolt against the church hierarchy and pushing for a more pastoral church model.

I love a good schism so I do.

Mrs Armchair was brought up a Catholic and insisted on getting the kids christened in CofE/CofI instead of the Catholic church.

"In 1975 no State or Church guidelines existed in the Republic of Ireland to assist those responding to an allegation of abuse against a minor. No training was given to priests, teachers, police officers or others who worked regularly with children about how to respond appropriately should such allegations be made"
I find that very hard to believe

How can they still place themselves as arbiters of morality when they covered this up?

I was listening to a R4 report on this a few days ago and it said the grannies are now beginning to rebel and priests have formed a trades union is that right?

Only in Ireland or do you reckon it will spread to the Latin countries too?

Why? You are looking at this true the context of now, this is nearly 40 years later.

God moves in mysterious ways.

Anyone read McGarry in the IT today?

Basically raised the possibility that Brady's probably lying through his hole because he was and is an expert in canon law/cannon law (which one is it?) while neither of the other two lads there at the time were.

Just read that article...This keeps getting worse and worse. It seems Brady was running the show at this meeting with Brendan Smyth's victim, NOT merely taking notes as he himself stated in the BBC show.

Do you mean this one

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opi ... 10225.html

Over here Telegraph did a review of the show and the comments section is full of people saying but other people are paedo's too, and some of the boys were 14 and over therefore is wasn't paedophilia it was homosexuality, as if your voice dropping makes it less like rape.

McAleese returns more than €500,000 in allowances
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DEAGLÁN de BRÉADÚN, Political Correspondent

FORMER PRESIDENT Mary McAleese has voluntarily returned more than €500,000 to the State in personal allowance funds that she did not use during her two terms in office.

There were no conditions imposed for the use of these funds and no obligation on Mrs McAleese to return any unused sums during or at the end of her 14 years in the post.

The Presidential Allowance is provided to the head of state to cover certain costs associated with the office including all official hospitality at the residence, Áras an Uachtaráin.

This includes dinners, lunches, receptions, garden parties and visits by other heads of state, such as Britain’s Queen Elizabeth and US president Barack Obama.

The allowance is currently €317,434, having been set at the Irish pound equivalent of £250,000 in 1998, prior to Ireland’s adoption of the euro. It has not been increased since.

Mrs McAleese has voluntarily returned to the State the unspent allowance amounting to €518,231.75, The Irish Times has learned. This underspend was accumulated over her full period in office.

The allowance was paid monthly into an Áras household account and drawn down as required.

Mrs McAleese has gifted the unused amount to the State in three separate tranches – December 2010 and November 2011, with the final transfer taking place last month.

The Presidential Establishment Act of 1938 and subsequent President Establishment (Amendment) Acts provide for the salary and allowances payable to the head of state.

The figure was increased from £120,000 to £250,000 in 1998 in an order signed by then-taoiseach Bertie Ahern who had previously raised it from £100,000 in 1997.

Mrs McAleese is currently in Rome where she is studying canon law.

In a separate development, in October 2008 Mrs McAleese announced she would take a voluntary 10 per cent cut in salary. This was repeated in 2009 and increased to 20 per cent in 2010. In 2010 Mrs McAleese voluntarily subscribed to the public service pay ceiling of €250,000 as outlined in Budget 2011. The total amount of salary surrendered by Mrs McAleese to the State is €168,047. The total amount she has returned in salary and allowances amounts to €686,278.75.

Mrs McAleese has also presented to the State more than €100,000 of gifts received during her terms of office

You must be very young, we had cops, judges and jails in 1975.

These so called 'christians' who are most certainly not very christian and also believe themselves above the law of the land or any other land for that matter.

This particular sad imitation of a human being Brady did not do what most people in 1975 or 1905 would have done when believing children were being sexually abused and report it to cops. Instead he and his cohorts swore the child to silence, buried the information the child gave them which could have saved others and shuffled the priest forwards and backwards all over Ireland, Scotland and the States to destroy countless more children's lives.

The 14 year old boy knew the difference between right and wrong and was selfless. The 38 yr old priest knew how to not rock the boat in his institution (which was paramount, as opposed to giving a shit about the welfare of the children). That's why he is a cardinal now, not a pleb on Craggy island.

Bit of a change of topic. Spotted this on the IT. Was she pressured at all, or was this all purely voluntary?

I can't see any of our lot doing that, even the rich ones.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/fro ... tml?via=mr