I rate Goosen in the same league as Cruden, they both have the complete game, constantly pushing the boundaries of conventional flyhalve play.

My esteemed Saffa colleagues rate Lambie better.

Discuss?

Goosen 10.
Lambie 15.

Lambie is not a natural 10 where Goosen is.

Need to get rid of Steyn first though...

Exactly. This is why I directed this post to the ANZAC, you guys understand the role of a flyhalve so well.

What is the general consensus around NZ regarding Goosen?

Goosen > Lambie at 10

I think most kiwis think this...

How about this hypothetical scenario: lets say Goosen had chicken runned with his family to NZ as a youngster, and possessed the talent he has now.

And then lets assume Carter retires at the end of 2013, giving Goosen another full season of SR next year. Who would you want as your AB 10? Cruden or Goosen?

Morne Steyn, Lambie at 13 and Goosen at 6. That would work for me.

Goosen has as much potential as anyone. Great player to watch as a fan of the game.

It is hard to tell, Goosen looks a great prospect but has only had the 1 season..........the true test will be if he can keep it up next year.

I would pick Cruden at the moment. Did you see how he played last night?

How many tests has Goosen played compared to world cup winner Aaron Cruden?

With this combo we lose nearly 100kg, thats a whole other player, so you can't have Heinrich as well Nipper.

10. Goosen
12. F. Steyn
15. Taute

22. Lambie

That's what I'd want if I was a Saffer.

Look, Cruden is a freak, he is unbelievable. A match winner he will surely become.

But..... Surely u kiwis must be green with envy when u see this kid kick.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=ZA#/watch?v=6wLtxNe0nD0

By the way, this was when was still at school.

the South African love affair with size is still evident I see... still trying to over compensate?

Goosen at 10
Taute at 15
Lambie impact sub off the bench personally

(edit: i8i8 beat me to it, glad to see someone else thinks the same)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ8UViVhOVU

Havent sent enough of Taute to comment. Can't bring myself to watch any team coached by Mitchell.

I guess what I am saying is that the jury is still out on Goosen as he has only had the 1 season in SR, same as Cruden after 1 year in SR.

I know, agree totally.

Ive been thinking, why cant Kiwi lads kick that far? That was a monster!

I'd go with Goosen solely for the reason of Lambie being constantly moved around. It's a real shame. Lambie's also a huge talent but has to now choose his favoured position and if need be, go to a team the will play him in it.

We don't want to be able to kick that far, we are quite fine scoring more tries, thank you very much.

But....but just imagine if you were able to score tries at will, already demoralising the opposition, and then being able to slot penalties from 60m? Opposing captains would have no option but to lead their teams off the field to save them from total no lube man reaming?

They can:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AN46GPFDAc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4S-cAXCtw4&feature=related

Steyn to stay at 10, thanks...

Touche.

But check these highlights from 1 game:

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=ZA#/watch?v=IumX3Qjt4fw

They are impressive, but nothing is as impressive as F. Steyn's drop goal against the Blues, here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvYUnUeAbsY

Shit quality...

But the weather was atrocious, and he nailed it.

With him in the side, you don't really need Goosen or Lambie. Stick to M. Steyn at 10.

Goosen for me. Although with that said, Lambie has probably done enough to be given a decent crack starting there. Either way, you need both of them in your 22 if not your XV.

In that case, bring back Donald.




Cue Photo of Donald with Webb in 3....2

The Duck is God.

In all seriousness, I think Lambie is a better 10 than 15. Always have...

However, if you wanted to accommodate both of them, I'd run with Goosen at 10, with Lambie at 15.

F. Steyn at 12 of course.

That's a good core right there for many years to come.

Or 3 Gio Aplon's.

If you keep attempting penalties from 60 metres you won't get many opportunities to score tries.

Tries are worth 5 points, and then an additional 2. Penalties are only worth 3. Not many people know that.

I was under the impression penalties were worth more the further they're kicked.