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 Post subject: Re: England squad
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 12:23 pm 
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I'm surprised at the negative reaction by some. That's a good squad that, one suspects, had there not been quite so many injuries in certain positions certain players wouldn't have toured - Mears, Stevens and presumably also Waldrom. The players who've not got in are perhaps a little unlucky in some cases, but equallythere are strong cases for the inclusion of those that are in the squad ahead of them (e.g. the in form Allen over May at the moment, Goode over Miller). Obviously alot will depend on the match day 23, but there's not much to complain about. Besides, Banahan's nowhere near, which can only be a good thing.
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hehe, its nice to see an england squad announcement thread getting back to normal, the last couple have been far too positive.

decent enough mix of youth and experience in there, clearly lancaster isn't treating this as an U20s tour which is sensible. as much as we might have liked to see mears et al dumped for youth there's still a place in such a large squad for a few older heads. its going to be a tough tour and if nothing else having the likes of mears, stevens and waldrom in there gives us a couple of scapegoats for when we get reamed.


People expect too much, He wasn't going to make wholesale changes because coaches very rarely do. South Africa isn't really the place to throw in untried youngsters either.

Gloucester have been gash for the last couple of months and May's form seems to have dropped off.

Stevens and Mears should consider themselves very fortunate to be on the plane.
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Wee Man wrote:
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Waldrom is in...No armitage.

Lawes, Wood and Croft out due to injury.

Forwards (23): Mouritz Botha (Saracens), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Alex Corbisiero (London Irish), Paul Doran Jones (Northampton Saints), Phil Dowson (Northampton Saints), Carl Fearns (Bath Rugby), Joe Gray (Harlequins), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), James Haskell (Otago Highlanders), Tom Johnson (Exeter Chiefs), Graham Kitchener (Leicester Tigers), Joe Launchbury (London Wasps), Joe Marler (Harlequins), Lee Mears (Bath Rugby), Ben Morgan (Scarlets), Matt Mullan (Worcester Warriors), Tom Palmer (Stade Francais), Geoff Parling (Leicester Tigers), Chris Robshaw (capt, Harlequins), George Robson (Harlequins), Matt Stevens (Saracens), Thomas Waldrom (Leicester Tigers), Tom Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

Backs (19): Anthony Allen (Leicester Tigers), Chris Ashton (Northampton Saints), Brad Barritt (Saracens), Mike Brown (Harlequins), Danny Care (Harlequins) Lee Dickson (Northampton Saints), Owen Farrell (Saracens), Toby Flood (Leicester Tigers), Ben Foden (Northampton Saints), Alex Goode (Saracens), Charlie Hodgson (Saracens), Jonathan Joseph (London Irish), George Lowe (Harlequins), Ugo Monye (Harlequins), David Strettle (Saracens), Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers), Jordan Turner-Hall (Harlequins), Christian Wade (London Wasps), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers).

No Sharples or May :(( (or is Sharples injured?)


Where the frick is May? Geniune match winner, what does the lad have to do? I'm peeved at that, in case you can't tell....

4 wingers for two teams. I don't really see any of the fullbacks as good wing cover either. Why did Stroppy have to be so stroppy.
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Is May paying the price for the poor Saxons display against Scotland? It's interesting that only four of that Saxons starting XV have made it into the 42 man squad - Monye, PDJ, Johnson and Robson.
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blindcider wrote:
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hehe, its nice to see an england squad announcement thread getting back to normal, the last couple have been far too positive.

decent enough mix of youth and experience in there, clearly lancaster isn't treating this as an U20s tour which is sensible. as much as we might have liked to see mears et al dumped for youth there's still a place in such a large squad for a few older heads. its going to be a tough tour and if nothing else having the likes of mears, stevens and waldrom in there gives us a couple of scapegoats for when we get reamed.


People expect too much, He wasn't going to make wholesale changes because coaches very rarely do. South Africa isn't really the place to throw in untried youngsters either.

Gloucester have been gash for the last couple of months and May's form seems to have dropped off.

Stevens and Mears should consider themselves very fortunate to be on the plane.


stevens might not be going if wilson and wood were fit. same with mears and brooker and webber.


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the heavier locks like Atwood and Garvey seem to be out of favour. they would offer something different. Robson and kitchener are mobile types but not particularly powerful..


Fair enough that Robson gets his chance after an outstanding season - I share the 'general view' that he's a v good AP level player but not ic but he deserves a chance to prove himself as on simialr lines does Alex Goode.
Sticking with Botha when he is v unlikely to last till the next RWC seems a poor call if it means Garvey who was outstanding in 1st half of season gets ignored.Attwood has hada few injuries so maybe that's why he has been similarly ignored for another Leics lock .

Waldrom shows the lack of 8's I would have taken GoW but maybe Fearns can prove adaptable like Hask.

Mears :twisted: is a mystery

Neither May or Sharples shone for Glaws against Irish but nor did anyone wearing red - Tom Voyce was prob their best player enough said. However they have both enjoyed decent seasons and should improve Allen is adequate but nothing more.

Lack of cover for Cole is a real issue PDJ :|
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Not at all - I'd have liked to see Will Addison getting games ahead of Johnny Leota.


Quality aside, Johnny Leota is a pretty cool name. Much more likely to hear "Johnny Leota's tears down the touchline for yet another breakaway try" than "Johnny Leota puts in another anonymous shift at the coalface".
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May and Sharples both played against Irish at he weekend :?


Hmm. So they did. How bizarre. Particularly given Sharples appearance in the 6 Nations.


Glaws have been on a poor run of late and there was some diabolical defending in the backs against Irish, who themselves are in poor form. Thought May would be in on the strength of his season though.
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Looking forward to see THE HASKtm dominating saffas again :twisted:
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No list on england is compete with the english foreign legion...

Forwards (5)
Mouritz Botha (Saracens)
Alex Corbisiero (London Irish)
Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints)
James Haskell (Otago Highlanders) - hard to say - is omnipresent
Matt Stevens (Saracens)
Thomas Waldrom (Leicester Tigers)

Backs (2)
Brad Barritt (Saracens)
Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers)

Quote low this time...

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Come on you lot, look at the positive, TWELVE UNCAPPED, ENGLISH PLAYERS.

Wade
Launchberry
Gray
T Youngs
Marler
Kitchener
Robson
Fearns
Johnson
Joseph
Lowe
Goode

(thirteen if you count Waldrom but he can fuck right off).

At this time in Johnson's tenure we were still picking the likes of Andy Foode, George Chuter, Jamie Noon, Harry Ellis, Tim Payne, Joe Worsley etc. Hopeless players with no future. At least now we have a young squad with depth and quality all over the place, and genuine competition for places. The odd crap selection (Mears, Waldrom, Stevens) is offset by two very encouraging selections (the aforementioned uncapped players). There's a lot, lot more positive than negative in this squad selection.


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Joost wrote:
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May and Sharples both played against Irish at he weekend :?


Hmm. So they did. How bizarre. Particularly given Sharples appearance in the 6 Nations.


Glaws have been on a poor run of late and there was some diabolical defending in the backs against Irish, who themselves are in poor form. Thought May would be in on the strength of his season though.


ollie phillips had a shocker and tindall wasn' great. sharples has looked a bit vulnerable at times. May, from what I have seen hasn't been particularly culpable.
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Portcullis Irish wrote:
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the heavier locks like Atwood and Garvey seem to be out of favour. they would offer something different. Robson and kitchener are mobile types but not particularly powerful..


Fair enough that Robson gets his chance after an outstanding season - I share the 'general view' that he's a v good AP level player but not ic but he deserves a chance to prove himself as on simialr lines does Alex Goode.
Sticking with Botha when he is v unlikely to last till the next RWC seems a poor call if it means Garvey who was outstanding in 1st half of season gets ignored.Attwood has hada few injuries so maybe that's why he has been similarly ignored for another Leics lock .

Waldrom shows the lack of 8's I would have taken GoW but maybe Fearns can prove adaptable like Hask.

Mears :twisted: is a mystery

Neither May or Sharples shone for Glaws against Irish but nor did anyone wearing red - Tom Voyce was prob their best player enough said. However they have both enjoyed decent seasons and should improve Allen is adequate but nothing more.

Lack of cover for Cole is a real issue PDJ :|


Apparently Henry Thomas was going to be included, but picked up an injury in Sales last game (?), which is why Mullan travels.
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kiwigreg369 wrote:
No list on england is compete with the english foreign legion...

Forwards (5)
Mouritz Botha (Saracens)
Alex Corbisiero (London Irish)
Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints)
James Haskell (Otago Highlanders) - hard to say - is omnipresent
Matt Stevens (Saracens)
Thomas Waldrom (Leicester Tigers)

Backs (2)
Brad Barritt (Saracens)
Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers)

Quote low this time...

KG


I assume when you say haskell is omnipresent you actually mean omnipotent
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Disappointed in the lack of Johnny May.

Other than that, :thumbup:
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fatman wrote:
kiwigreg369 wrote:
No list on england is compete with the english foreign legion...

Forwards (5)
Mouritz Botha (Saracens)
Alex Corbisiero (London Irish)
Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints)
James Haskell (Otago Highlanders) - hard to say - is omnipresent
Matt Stevens (Saracens)
Thomas Waldrom (Leicester Tigers)

Backs (2)
Brad Barritt (Saracens)
Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers)

Quote low this time...

KG


I assume when you say haskell is omnipresent you actually mean omnipotent


I actually meant omnipresence (and possibly abused the english langauge) - ie he's everywhere rather than being omnipotent - which he is obviously is.

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kiwigreg369 wrote:
fatman wrote:
kiwigreg369 wrote:
No list on england is compete with the english foreign legion...

Forwards (5)
Mouritz Botha (Saracens)
Alex Corbisiero (London Irish)
Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints)
James Haskell (Otago Highlanders) - hard to say - is omnipresent
Matt Stevens (Saracens)
Thomas Waldrom (Leicester Tigers)

Backs (2)
Brad Barritt (Saracens)
Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers)

Quote low this time...

KG


I assume when you say haskell is omnipresent you actually mean omnipotent


I actually meant omnipresence (and possibly abused the english langauge) - ie he's everywhere rather than being omnipotent - which he is obviously is.

KG


sounds like we need a new adjective - omnihask, having unlimited authority or power while being present everywhere at the same time.
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I think Haskell could be a good option at 7, with Robshaw at 6 and has been playing openside for the Highlanders. He’ll know the way the SH back rows operate as well which should help. Expecting the first back row to be:

6 Robshaw
7 Haskell
8 Morgan

With a tight five matching that of the Six Nations. The backs should be more of an open contest: neither of the current test wingers are in great form (Strettle has arguably never been in form in his life) so more of a chance for the younger guys.
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Bit worried about our lack of wing options..

Difficult to assess Gloucester players since they have been probably the worst AP team on form recently.. The Not Nots turn them inside out at the weekend, some of the defence was shocking.
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Bit worried about our lack of wing options..
Difficult to assess Gloucester players since they have been probably the worst AP team on form recently.. The Not Nots turn them inside out at the weekend, some of the defence was shocking.


Joseph must be being considered as an option; I doubt Wade is in their plans for the test side. I think wing might even be a better option for Joseph with internaional midfields being so congested. he certainly has the pace and finishing ability.
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stevekeo wrote:
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Bit worried about our lack of wing options..
Difficult to assess Gloucester players since they have been probably the worst AP team on form recently.. The Not Nots turn them inside out at the weekend, some of the defence was shocking.


Joseph must be being considered as an option; I doubt Wade is in their plans for the test side. I think wing might even be a better option for Joseph with internaional midfields being so congested. he certainly has the pace and finishing ability.


He has certainlyaplayed there quite a lot throughout his career, though obviously considered as first choice 13 at Irish.

It is good to see that Ashton is coming back into form, he has bagged a couple of tries recently.
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stevekeo wrote:
covrich wrote:
Bit worried about our lack of wing options..
Difficult to assess Gloucester players since they have been probably the worst AP team on form recently.. The Not Nots turn them inside out at the weekend, some of the defence was shocking.


Joseph must be being considered as an option; I doubt Wade is in their plans for the test side. I think wing might even be a better option for Joseph with internaional midfields being so congested. he certainly has the pace and finishing ability.


He;s quality but he is not quick enough to be anything other than cover for wing. Delon's A absence again illustrates what a poor decision/waste his non selection is :nod:
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Test XV

15. Foden
14. Ashton
13. Tuilagi
12. Barritt
11. Monye
10. Flood
9. Youngs
1. Corbs
2. Hartley
3. Cole
4. Botha
5. Parling
6. Robshaw
7. Hask
8. Morgan

16. Gray
17. Stevens (despite being shit I still think he's better suited to the bench then PDJ)
18. Palmer
19. Fearns
20. Care
21. Farrell
22. Joseph

Dirt trackers

15. Brown
14.Wade
13. Lowe
12. Allen
11. Strettle
10. Hodgson
9. Care
1. Marler
2. Mears
3. PDJ
4. Launchbury
5. Robson
6. Dowson
7. Fearns
8. Waldrom

16. T. Youngs
17. Mullan (This is not ideal, worst case should be a t/h)
18. Kitchener
19. Johnson
20. Dickson
21. JTH
22. Goode
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Portcullis Irish wrote:
stevekeo wrote:
covrich wrote:
Bit worried about our lack of wing options..
Difficult to assess Gloucester players since they have been probably the worst AP team on form recently.. The Not Nots turn them inside out at the weekend, some of the defence was shocking.


Joseph must be being considered as an option; I doubt Wade is in their plans for the test side. I think wing might even be a better option for Joseph with internaional midfields being so congested. he certainly has the pace and finishing ability.


He;s quality but he is not quick enough to be anything other than cover for wing. Delon's A absence again illustrates what a poor decision/waste his non selection is :nod:


I'm surprised you say that. he's looked very sharp whenever I've seen him play.
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T Youngs is a decent player but for some reason Chuter is always selected first choice.

T Youngs has always made big impacts when he has come on this year..
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Test XV

15. Foden
14. Ashton
13. Tuilagi
12. Barritt
11. Monye
10. Flood
9. Youngs
1. Corbs
2. Hartley
3. Cole
4. Botha
5. Parling
6. Robshaw
7. Hask
8. Morgan

16. Gray
17. Stevens (despite being shit I still think he's better suited to the bench then PDJ)
18. Palmer
19. Fearns
20. Care
21. Farrell
22. Joseph

Dirt trackers

15. Brown
14.Wade
13. Lowe
12. Allen
11. Strettle
10. Hodgson
9. Care
1. Marler
2. Mears
3. PDJ
4. Launchbury
5. Robson
6. Dowson
7. Fearns
8. Waldrom

16. T. Youngs
17. Mullan (This is not ideal, worst case should be a t/h)
18. Kitchener
19. Johnson
20. Dickson
21. JTH
22. Goode



Brown, Wade and Strettle as back 3 for the midweeks? Woohoo! Good luck on seeing any of those 3 at any point Saffas, let alone catching them...
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stevekeo wrote:
Portcullis Irish wrote:
stevekeo wrote:
covrich wrote:
Bit worried about our lack of wing options..
Difficult to assess Gloucester players since they have been probably the worst AP team on form recently.. The Not Nots turn them inside out at the weekend, some of the defence was shocking.


Joseph must be being considered as an option; I doubt Wade is in their plans for the test side. I think wing might even be a better option for Joseph with internaional midfields being so congested. he certainly has the pace and finishing ability.


He;s quality but he is not quick enough to be anything other than cover for wing. Delon's A absence again illustrates what a poor decision/waste his non selection is :nod:


I'm surprised you say that. he's looked very sharp whenever I've seen him play.


He's quicker than many players who have started on the wing in recent years, and had the pace to stay ahead of Sharples for his try on the weekend. He may not be a first choice winger, but I wouldn't think that it's his pace that would hold him back.
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Test XV

15. Foden
14. Ashton
13. Tuilagi
12. Barritt
11. Monye
10. Flood
9. Youngs
1. Corbs
2. Hartley
3. Cole
4. Botha
5. Parling
6. Robshaw
7. Hask
8. Morgan

16. Gray
17. Stevens (despite being shit I still think he's better suited to the bench then PDJ)
18. Palmer
19. Fearns
20. Care
21. Farrell
22. Joseph

Dirt trackers

15. Brown
14.Wade
13. Lowe
12. Allen
11. Strettle
10. Hodgson
9. Care
1. Marler
2. Mears
3. PDJ
4. Launchbury
5. Robson
6. Dowson
7. Fearns
8. Waldrom

16. T. Youngs
17. Mullan (This is not ideal, worst case should be a t/h)
18. Kitchener
19. Johnson
20. Dickson
21. JTH
22. Goode



Spot on. Couldn't put it any better myself. Except Farrell at 10, Flood on the bench.

In the long term it'll be to my great happiness when George Ford finally breaks through, which I'm hoping is in the autumn, thanks in part to more game time and better conditioning over the summer. And, Matt Kvesic. An out an out 7 who has played as well this season as some of the guys selected in the EPS squad. Other than that, no complaints or suprises. Bar maybe Tom Youngs. Job Done. Happy Lad :)!


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Am I correct in my thinking that Launchbury is a lock, who has been playing a bit of 6, or is it the other way around?
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Wendigo7 wrote:
Wee Man wrote:
Test XV

15. Foden
14. Ashton
13. Tuilagi
12. Barritt
11. Monye
10. Flood
9. Youngs
1. Corbs
2. Hartley
3. Cole
4. Botha
5. Parling
6. Robshaw
7. Hask
8. Morgan

16. Gray
17. Stevens (despite being shit I still think he's better suited to the bench then PDJ)
18. Palmer
19. Fearns
20. Care
21. Farrell
22. Joseph

Dirt trackers

15. Brown
14.Wade
13. Lowe
12. Allen
11. Strettle
10. Hodgson
9. Care
1. Marler
2. Mears
3. PDJ
4. Launchbury
5. Robson
6. Dowson
7. Fearns
8. Waldrom

16. T. Youngs
17. Mullan (This is not ideal, worst case should be a t/h)
18. Kitchener
19. Johnson
20. Dickson
21. JTH
22. Goode



Spot on. Couldn't put it any better myself. Except Farrell at 10, Flood on the bench.

In the long term it'll be to my great happiness when George Ford finally breaks through, which I'm hoping is in the autumn, thanks in part to more game time and better conditioning over the summer. And, Matt Kvesic. An out an out 7 who has played as well this season as some of the guys selected in the EPS squad. Other than that, no complaints or suprises. Bar maybe Tom Youngs. Job Done. Happy Lad :)!


Picked Flood as he presently offers a lot more in attack and Flood/Youngs bring out the best in one another. Farrell playing won't upset me though
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Am I correct in my thinking that Launchbury is a lock, who has been playing a bit of 6, or is it the other way around?


I was wondering that myself to be honest. He seems to move between the two positions as and when the situation calls for it :)
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Am I correct in my thinking that Launchbury is a lock, who has been playing a bit of 6, or is it the other way around?


I was wondering that myself to be honest. He seems to move between the two positions as and when the situation calls for it :)


He looks a bit slow for a 6 and small for a lock? Good player but no idea his best position.
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Am I correct in my thinking that Launchbury is a lock, who has been playing a bit of 6, or is it the other way around?


He was a lock for the U20s and it's probably his long term position, but he's mobile enough and slightly underweight (in terms of his potential build), so is playing back row.

Think of him as this season's Courtney Lawes, who went through a similar stage before bulking up another few kilos and adding the requisite power to shift into the second row full time.


EDIT: He's started just one game in the second row this season, after starting 4 there last season. But MJ took Lawes to Australia in 2010 as a lock when he was only really covering there for Saints - he couldn't break into the starting second row for them past Lobbe and Kruger.



On the subject of locks, it's really harsh on Garvey to miss out. And to a lesser extent on Attwood. It would be nice to pick one or two locks who have bulk and power rather than a bunch of lightweights. Botha as the enforcer? Doesn't really cut it. I'd have gone for Garvey ahead of Botha and Attwood ahead of Kitchener. Kitch has potential, but he's probably 4th choice at Tigers and maybe even 5th (Deacon, Parling, Skivington and Slater have all been picked ahead of him for most of the season) and fills the same role as Robson.... just without the experience or the track-record of regularly putting in good performances in the Premiership.


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geordie_6 wrote:
Wee Man wrote:
Am I correct in my thinking that Launchbury is a lock, who has been playing a bit of 6, or is it the other way around?


I was wondering that myself to be honest. He seems to move between the two positions as and when the situation calls for it :)


He's 6"6 so more than capable of playing at lock but from what I've seen he's a better 6. Either way, pretty much ideal bench cover for now.
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no JSD :(
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pandion wrote:
geordie_6 wrote:
Wee Man wrote:
Am I correct in my thinking that Launchbury is a lock, who has been playing a bit of 6, or is it the other way around?


I was wondering that myself to be honest. He seems to move between the two positions as and when the situation calls for it :)


He looks a bit slow for a 6 and small for a lock? Good player but no idea his best position.


6ft 6" and 18st apparently, so not exactly small, but fair to say he probably hasn't physically developed fully yet. Needs to work on his guns to look the part in those tight jerseys.

Edit - love it when there's multiple answers provided by others whilst your typing your own
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Waldrom is a good move, anyone who has seen him play in SA on the faster grounds will know what he can do and England will need some pace at 8 to cover the Boks players.

No Armitage......incredible :(
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Anybody wanting explanation from Lancaster over the choices made, look no further:

http://www.rfu.com/News/2012/May/NewsAr ... ad_SA.aspx

Interesting to see him mention taking Monye for his Lions experience within South Africa, in actual fact probably a very shrewd but smart move. Waldrom mentioned for his ball-carrying stats: fair enough but I'm still not convinced by that. Everything else is pretty self-explanatory, overall from the tone of Lancaster and his explanations I'm massively encouraged, so looking forward to this tour.
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JSD is too small. FACT.

what about Sale's fb?
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openclashXX wrote:
Anybody wanting explanation from Lancaster over the choices made, look no further:

http://www.rfu.com/News/2012/May/NewsAr ... ad_SA.aspx

Interesting to see him mention taking Monye for his Lions experience within South Africa, in actual fact probably a very shrewd but smart move. Waldrom mentioned for his ball-carrying stats: fair enough but I'm still not convinced by that. Everything else is pretty self-explanatory, overall from the tone of Lancaster and his explanations I'm massively encouraged, so looking forward to this tour.


Waldrom is the perfect Morgan substitute, and has been a real stand-out this season. If he wasn't kiwi, then there would be no question about his call-up. He definitely deserves it on performances, and if Morgan picks up an injury he can slip straight in at No8 and would be able to provide exactly the same qualities as Morgan would have done.

Can you think of a better English-qualified No8?
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