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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:57 pm 
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So he is, well spotted.


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:58 pm 
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The expression on his face is "don't fancy being in your shoes mate"



He IS in his shoes though.

:lol: 5.99 on ebay last minute bargain


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:00 pm 
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The expression on his face is "don't fancy being in your shoes mate"



He IS in his shoes though.

:lol: 5.99 on ebay last minute bargain

dont start discussing shoes guys or Musefreek will be all over this thread.


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:15 pm 
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They should be arrested by the fashion police.

Under sharia law would the victims not be made to marry the rapist or be stoned to death?


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:30 pm 
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I haven't read all the replies, but anyone who thinks there isn't some sort of cultural issue here is a fucking moron. No one would claim all Pakistanis, Asians, or even Muslims act like this, but it cannot be brash under the carpet for fear of being called racist. Men of Pakistani origin do seem to have a backward attitude toward women, living in a society where white women are viewed as easy meat.

I hope they rot.

I spent a fair bit of time traveling in the sub-continent and both Hindu and Muslim men have an incredibly backward (by Western standards) attitude towards women. Basically, a woman is a chattel, property of the father then later her husband and has few if any rights and in no way would be allowed out on her own . Certainly the deeper into the Islamic North-west you head, the more entrenched these beliefs are. Even in big cities like Delhi, the only images of 'Western' women were those of Sam Fox and Madonna (which kind of dates me :D ), and I often got asked by western girls to travel with them as a 'fiance' to avoid any hassle - especially in Muslim regions.
The general attitude seemed to be that any female out unescorted - let alone uncovered - was 'asking for it', and that white girls in particular were fair game. Take people raised with that belief set and translocate them to the UK and the results are now becoming tragically all too apparent. :((


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:33 pm 
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Having worked with some Indians and Pakistanis, I can definitely confirm their backward attitude towards women.


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:36 pm 
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Arseholes, the lot of them. Trying to play the race card is laughable - No sir, you weren't arreested, charged and convicted because of your race/religion/football team, it's because you were selling women into sex slavery, you horrible cunt. You could be white/pink/purple/polka dotted and you'd still be just as much of a cunt."

While on the race relations angle, is there anything to indicate that the victims were "white girls", or was it just something the OP thought would make the crime so much worse?


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:41 pm 
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Arseholes, the lot of them. Trying to play the race card is laughable - No sir, you weren't arreested, charged and convicted because of your race/religion/football team, it's because you were selling women into sex slavery, you horrible cunt. You could be white/pink/purple/polka dotted and you'd still be just as much of a cunt."

While on the race relations angle, is there anything to indicate that the victims were "white girls", or was it just something the OP thought would make the crime so much worse?

The fact that they were all white girls seems a pretty good indication. :roll:


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Having worked with some Indians and Pakistanis, I can definitely confirm their backward attitude towards women.

They could learn something from australians


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TranceNRG wrote:
Having worked with some Indians and Pakistanis, I can definitely confirm their backward attitude towards women.


We all like a bit of backward action so I don't see any problem there


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:54 pm 
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I absolutely have no racist agenda whatsoever, I really would love to see a world where every culture can live in peace, but to deny there isn't a cultural issue with Pakistani men's attitudes to white girls would be like denying there isn't a problem with catholic priests touching little children.


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:58 pm 
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I absolutely have no racist agenda whatsoever, I really would love to see a world where every culture can live in peace, but to deny there isn't a cultural issue with Pakistani men's attitudes to white girls would be like denying there isn't a problem with catholic priests touching little children.

It's more a cultural thing
Both are primitive societies


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:09 pm 
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I know i am going against the grain here but i dont believe that these girls were abused because they were white but mainly because these cunts knew that were from dysfunctional backgrounds(in care, runaways etc) and that they could get away with it. I know it doesn`t fit the narrative but there have been cases where young Pakistani girls were blackmailed into sex by gangs after they had incriminating pictures of them with their boyfriends.


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I know i am going against the grain here but i dont believe that these girls were abused because they were white but mainly because these cunts knew that were from dysfunctional backgrounds(in care, runaways etc) and that they could get away with it. I know it doesn`t fit the narrative but there have been cases where young Pakistani girls were blackmailed into sex by gangs after they had incriminating pictures of them with their boyfriends.

Other races don't have dysfunctional families/children?


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It's a shame and rather unfair that the word "Asian" is used - this applies to just about everyone east of Ankara.


Huh. East of Calais innit?


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:22 pm 
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Clanger wrote:
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I know i am going against the grain here but i dont believe that these girls were abused because they were white but mainly because these cunts knew that were from dysfunctional backgrounds(in care, runaways etc) and that they could get away with it. I know it doesn`t fit the narrative but there have been cases where young Pakistani girls were blackmailed into sex by gangs after they had incriminating pictures of them with their boyfriends.

Other races don't have dysfunctional families/children?


Maybe not in these areas.


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:23 pm 
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The problem is they were tried by jury. Perhaps muslims should be given special treatment as was initially deemed appropriate in Australia

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8464468/muslim-man-granted-judge-only-trial-in-nsw


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:25 pm 
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Masterji wrote:
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I know i am going against the grain here but i dont believe that these girls were abused because they were white but mainly because these cunts knew that were from dysfunctional backgrounds(in care, runaways etc) and that they could get away with it. I know it doesn`t fit the narrative but there have been cases where young Pakistani girls were blackmailed into sex by gangs after they had incriminating pictures of them with their boyfriends.

Other races don't have dysfunctional families/children?


Maybe not in these areas.

Perhaps if you could give us more details.of these raped Pakistani girls it would strengthen your case....


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:34 pm 
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This never came to light as the families were too embarrassed to get the police involved but there was shit flying around in the local community where i live. Girls were blackmailed into sex and also into handing money over. When this became public knowledge the cunts who weren`t from the area stopped coming.


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:38 pm 
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Masterji wrote:
This never came to light as the families were too embarrassed to get the police involved but there was shit flying around in the local community where i live. Girls were blackmailed into sex and also into handing money over. When this became public knowledge the cunts who weren`t from the area stopped coming.

Sorry, but that wouldn't stand up in court. Unless we see facts to prove to the contrary, I believe this is a Pakistani attitude to British white girls.


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Clanger wrote:
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This never came to light as the families were too embarrassed to get the police involved but there was shit flying around in the local community where i live. Girls were blackmailed into sex and also into handing money over. When this became public knowledge the cunts who weren`t from the area stopped coming.

Sorry, but that wouldn't stand up in court. Unless we see facts to prove to the contrary, I believe this is a Pakistani attitude to British white girls.


Do you think the attitude of white British guys is respectful to white British girls?


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Masterji wrote:
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This never came to light as the families were too embarrassed to get the police involved but there was shit flying around in the local community where i live. Girls were blackmailed into sex and also into handing money over. When this became public knowledge the cunts who weren`t from the area stopped coming.

Sorry, but that wouldn't stand up in court. Unless we see facts to prove to the contrary, I believe this is a Pakistani attitude to British white girls.


Do you think the attitude of white British guys is respectful to white British girls?

British white guys have there own issues, most paedophiles are British White guys. This crime is I believed based on the cultural attitudes of some Pakistani groups in Britain, and I have no fear in saying it.


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Arseholes, the lot of them. Trying to play the race card is laughable - No sir, you weren't arreested, charged and convicted because of your race/religion/football team, it's because you were selling women into sex slavery, you horrible cunt. You could be white/pink/purple/polka dotted and you'd still be just as much of a cunt."

While on the race relations angle, is there anything to indicate that the victims were "white girls", or was it just something the OP thought would make the crime so much worse?

The fact that they were all white girls seems a pretty good indication. :roll:



Fair enough, just hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere.


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What these guys did was evil because its seemed to have been done in an organised way but i think some people are settling scores. You cannot mailgn whole communities for the shitness of some of the people within their midst. I have no more control over their behavior than you do.


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What these guys did was evil because its seemed to have been done in an organised way but i think some people are settling scores. You cannot mailgn whole communities for the shitness of some of the people within their midst. I have no more control over their behavior than you do.

I hate doing the "some of my best friends are" line, but, some of my best friends are Pakistani. I truly don't have an ounce of racism in my bones. That is why I am so confident in the view I hold.


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:18 pm 
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Clanger wrote:
I haven't read all the replies, but anyone who thinks there isn't some sort of cultural issue here is a fucking moron. No one would claim all Pakistanis, Asians, or even Muslims act like this, but it cannot be brash under the carpet for fear of being called racist. Men of Pakistani origin do seem to have a backward attitude toward women, living in a society where white women are viewed as easy meat.

I hope they rot.


Reality is that nearly all societies I can think of are patriarchal to some degree. Women are the losers everywhere.

When were women first admitted to Cambridge? I don't think they could even graduate as equals until the 1920s. Women were even allowed their own personal tax allowance until the 70s and that was also true for mortgages where their incomes were not counted.

Hope they rot too.


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I haven't read all the replies, but anyone who thinks there isn't some sort of cultural issue here is a fucking moron. No one would claim all Pakistanis, Asians, or even Muslims act like this, but it cannot be brash under the carpet for fear of being called racist. Men of Pakistani origin do seem to have a backward attitude toward women, living in a society where white women are viewed as easy meat.

I hope they rot.


Reality is that nearly all societies I can think of are patriarchal to some degree. Women are the losers everywhere.

When were women first admitted to Cambridge? I don't think they could even graduate as equals until the 1920s. Women were even allowed their own personal tax allowance until the 70s and that was also true for mortgages where their incomes were not counted.

Hope they rot too.


Please don't think I dismiss the attitudes of British men toward women: Lord's FFS! I also know that Pakistani men up and down Britain will despair at the actions of these disgusting men, and it will only be a percentage who'd even consider acting like this/condoning it. But as I said, just because it might offend some Catholics, we can't pretend that a percentage of filthy men don't lead congregations in worship of their god or that white Britain's have a problem with Paedophilia, there is a problem among some Pakistani men, we can only hope this case is a wake up call.


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Clanger: that's why sometime hard decisions have to be taken. Regardless of cultural or religious leanings, something cannot be accepted or allowed to slide.

Female circumcision is a classic example of turning a blind eye and even cases of sati. Domestic violence is way down the list.


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:42 pm 
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From 2006

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/sep/17/pakistan.theobserver


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The copper quoted today in the media saying the crimes were not racially motived was being a tad disingenuous - they were first and foremost rapists but the fact they preyed solely on white girls of course makes it racially motived.

His daft comments just gives fuel to the bigots like Dac and Toga.


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The copper quoted today in the media saying the crimes were not racially motived was being a tad disingenuous - they were first and foremost rapists but the fact they preyed solely on white girls of course makes it racially motived.

His daft comments just gives fuel to the bigots like Dac and Toga.


Kinda my point earlier. The refusal to face racial motivation when it really exists is failing everyone including the honest elements of those sections of society.


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The copper quoted today in the media saying the crimes were not racially motived was being a tad disingenuous - they were first and foremost rapists but the fact they preyed solely on white girls of course makes it racially motived.

His daft comments just gives fuel to the bigots like Dac and Toga.


I would say it is culturally motivated rather than racially motivated


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I would say it is culturally motivated rather than racially motivated


In this instance the 2 amount to the same.


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I would say it is culturally motivated rather than racially motivated


In this instance the 2 amount to the same.


Do they?


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The copper quoted today in the media saying the crimes were not racially motived was being a tad disingenuous - they were first and foremost rapists but the fact they preyed solely on white girls of course makes it racially motived.

His daft comments just gives fuel to the bigots like Dac and Toga.




It's not bigoted to call a racist a racist. Ironically, it is bigoted to chase people around from thread to thread calling them bigots all the time.


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Toga wrote:
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The copper quoted today in the media saying the crimes were not racially motived was being a tad disingenuous - they were first and foremost rapists but the fact they preyed solely on white girls of course makes it racially motived.

His daft comments just gives fuel to the bigots like Dac and Toga.




It's not bigoted to call a racist a racist. Ironically, it is bigoted to chase people around from thread to thread calling them bigots all the time.


Are you a racist Toga?


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Toga wrote:
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The copper quoted today in the media saying the crimes were not racially motived was being a tad disingenuous - they were first and foremost rapists but the fact they preyed solely on white girls of course makes it racially motived.

His daft comments just gives fuel to the bigots like Dac and Toga.




It's not bigoted to call a racist a racist. Ironically, it is bigoted to chase people around from thread to thread calling them bigots all the time.


I didn't suggest it was you bigoted cunt.

Your 6yrs on PR however make you a bigot.


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Clanger wrote:
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The copper quoted today in the media saying the crimes were not racially motived was being a tad disingenuous - they were first and foremost rapists but the fact they preyed solely on white girls of course makes it racially motived.

His daft comments just gives fuel to the bigots like Dac and Toga.




It's not bigoted to call a racist a racist. Ironically, it is bigoted to chase people around from thread to thread calling them bigots all the time.


Are you a racist Toga?




Like you I have many black and Asian friends.


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jrp wrote:
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The copper quoted today in the media saying the crimes were not racially motived was being a tad disingenuous - they were first and foremost rapists but the fact they preyed solely on white girls of course makes it racially motived.

His daft comments just gives fuel to the bigots like Dac and Toga.




It's not bigoted to call a racist a racist. Ironically, it is bigoted to chase people around from thread to thread calling them bigots all the time.


I didn't suggest it was you bigoted cunt.

Your 6yrs on PR however make you a bigot.



Projection alert.


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Personaly I don't give a shit what colour they are, they along with the scum that beat the old lady up in her bed and various others who indulge in disturbing and sick crime should be removed. British, immigrant, Catholic, Jew, Muslim... Whatever?!

These particular inmates will be protected from any harm in prison by hiding behind there faith and we'll let them because of not wanting to increase racial tension.


Well that is nonsense isn't it


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