I've seen a few of his highlights and he seems like a good prospect. He's massive for a flyhalf and reminds me of Honnibal in build. Let's see how he pans out.

Come on Ox. Give credit where it's due. The guy has class written all over him and is better than Lambie was at his age. That's life.

And yet Morne was the highest scoring player in the world cup?

I questioned the logic in what you said before because you stated that it was absurd or negative to move a player out of his preferred position, and then immediately suggested moving another player out of his preferred position. The only difference was that one of them is a Sharks player. That looks illogical to me as the reason should be valid for both players, or neither of them.

My logic is: find the position in which one player performs best and makes most of a difference. Is there another player in that position that performs better? If no, play that player in that position. If yes, try with other positions.

For example, playing Lambie as flyhalf. Is there another player that performs best in that position? In my opinion there is, Goosen. If I thought Goosen was worse, I'd give Lambie the 10 spot. So there are two options: relegate Lambie to the bench or look for another position. Fox example, fullback. Is there any better player in the 15 spot? I think not. So I'd play Lambie there. That's my logic and I think it's quite coherent.

Will be interesting to see what they do with Aplon. The Stormers backline has been so quiet that we haven't seen much of him. I still prefer him on the wing, though. Not sure who our wings are going to be at this stage. Aplon, Habana, Mvovo, Pietersen, Basson - can only be two of those.

You still haven't explained why you prefer one over the other. What means Lambie should be forced into 15, where he wont have played all season?

Your logic means Lambie is chewed up and spat out, then ends up overseas playing somewhere or other, and a load of idiots bitch and moan about the Sharks.

One of Frans/Goosen/Lambie will have to play 15. Out of the 3, Lambie is the least suited and most likely to repeat what happened with Ruan. He should just play 10 for the Sharks whatever happens, and if the Boks want to play him somewhere else, that's their look out. To me playing him at 15 isn't because of any skill he has over others (I note, still no explanation from you), it's simply to accommodate others.

We can do this all day chief.

His position:

Still don't rate Aplon? He's a great little player. Love having him in my team.

If he signed up for the Tjarks, Oxie would rate the fuck out of him.

Heh, well we know that.

I don't rate every Sharks player. Certainly don't think they're all capable of being Bok starters or squad members.

Good to hear. That all sharks bok team would certainly be in for a hiding come test time.

But much better than the half a team of Bulls and the other half Stompies, with one Sharks player. That we actually saw play (and lose) multiple times.

The best Bok sides of recent times have 1 to 3 Stompies, the same number of Cheetahs/Lions, the rest and the majority being split equally among the Bulls/Sharks.

Ok so we have:

Beast
Bissy
JP
Lambie (bench)

Who else?

Jannie, Frans (back with us in June), Mvovo, Alberts. All have a chance of starting, Frans and Alberts should both be starting players in addition to those you list.

There are others that could make the squad and have before.

OK.

Jannie is borderline. There are better players.
Frans, I didn't include.
Mvovo (whom I rate) is also borderline. Basson is better but even he won't get a look in I don't think. It'll be JPP and Habs.
Alberts to be very frank has been quite shit this year so far.

OK.

It seems you agree with me, other than you have forgiven Spies his many sins in the green and gold and I'm not sure Jannie is as borderline as you suggest.

Spies can forkoff.

Jannie tends to be a bit hot headed but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt seeing as he plays with the other 2 starters. If Beast isn't available though he wouldn't play.

Not really. Steyn at 10, Lambie at 15....as Meyer has though all along.




But Goosen's attacking/running game has been better than Lambies as well...

BTW Ox - why is it that you only come post here now days after your team has won, which has been rare this season.



I don't see many who do - how is saying that he will be the best option at 10 equating him to walking on water? You precious sharkies



Although Meyer seems to rate Grant ahead of Lambie in the "10" pecking order right now as I pointed out early in the thread and he has said he rates Lambie as more of a 15 so it seems Lambie is an "outsider" for the 10 position.



The thread title is quoting what Meyer said you tool.

Which Stompies will make it for Meyer's first test in June? Can't think of more than 3 starters

Bekker
JDV
Habana (debatable)

Bench:
Etsebeth
JDJ

That's besides the point, we aren't spouting the crap Ox was about how so many Sharks should be Boks. Oh and have I mentioned that Meyer seems to rate Grant ahead of Lambie for 10? Add Burger and Duane to the mix if they weren't injured as well. Oh and Aplon. Ginger Ninja and Malherbe will be there before too long as well. Looking good in the Cape. Hell, Kolisi as well

BTW, saying Habana is a "debatable" selection is a bit silly. He's been the best wing in SA by quite some distance and a better 13 than JPP as well for that matter.

Actually, jokes aside, Basson has been the best wing in SA.

So taking current injuries into consideration I'll go with:

1. Beast
2. BdP
3. ??? - Jannie has been crap!
4. Etsebeth
5. Bekker
6. Brussouw
7. Kolisi - on current form he has been the best but you could have Marcel, Stander, Potgieter here as well - A new cap or will Dinosaur get a call? Wow, I hope not! Alberts has been pants as well.
8. Spies

9. Hoohah
10. Morne
11. Habana
12. Frans
13. JdV
14. JPP
15. Lambie

16. Strauss/Chilboy
17. Ginger Ninja
18. Juandre Kruger
19. Johnson
20. Pienaar
21. Aplon
22. JdJ

Missing out due to injury: Burger and Duane. Vermeulen should play ahead of Spies and Meyer rates him highly.

The hyperbole

Bjorn Basson is playing very well and has scored 7 very good tries. He'll give the resurgent Habs a lot to think about.

He's been playing very well. The only issue with him was that he was a bit of a turnstyle last year. Has he worked on this?

PS - Your other Ndungane is in great form too btw.

I'm a massive fan of Basson's - his game play and his temperament. Seems like a hard worker and has a great attitude. That said, he's had a couple of cracks at making the Bok jersey his own, and he hasn't really impressed thus far. The drug scandal probably didn't help, but the fact remains that he hasn't really shone when representing the Boks.

Ok, so Habana and Basson on the wing then, your guy misses out. How you can say I was using Hyperbole describing Habana as being the best wing in SA this season is beyond me. It's pretty obvious.

JPP has been average at best at 13. That was a bit of a fishing expedition though, neither one should be playing 13 outside of their provinces...

As am I. Arguably the best wing in the world when it comes to the "high ball" - I'm still in favor of Habana and JPP for the Boks BUT if the Sharkies are making me pick Basson then JPP moves to #3 in the pecking order. Habana gets through an enormous amount of work that most of these armchair fans don't see because apparently a wing's only job is to cross the chalk.

Because you used the following words



That's why I raised you Basson. Habana has not been better than Basson "by quite some distance".

Meh. He's been the best wing, followed by Basson...happy?

SorC - watched Bulls/Rebels last night. One of the best games I've actually seen Steyn play (even if it was the Rebels).

What are the stats for kick ratio (%tage made) this Super XV w/ Steyn, Goosen, Lambie, Grant (even though Pieterson was doing the kicking until a few games back) btw?

Yank should admit he loves me.

I don't think he can get enough of you, Ox.

I was under the impression that they played Habana those 30 odd scoreless games out of pity that he would eventually get the record and thereafter he had to get the fuck out of it.

We all know your rugby knowledge is about buggerall so kindly move along.

I was under the impression that they played Habana those 30 odd scoreless games out of pity that he would eventually get the record and thereafter he had to get the fuck out of it.

I wonder what's the reason for the increase in kicking % the last few years
I don't have the figures but it seems there has been a huge increase across the board
It didn't use to be so high

Got Hiccups, Sards?

Sardy hates Habana because he didn't win shit for him when Sardy was a stormpie supporter, now he hates him even more because he's playing well. It's called the Sardas Touch, when every team you support turns to shit.

*edit scuse the iPhone autocorrect