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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:56 pm 
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Wiggins majestic today, showed who's boss as I thought he would. You could see he wanted to make a point. The delays are absolutely massiven the 4th ranked of the Tour is over 10' behind, it is quite a lot. Well done Sir!!


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SamShark wrote:
For those that dont really follow cycling, why are people saying he's all but won.

Is it because tomorrow's stage is not taken seriously or because he's a long way ahead?


Traditionnally, the last stage is a gala stage. Riders arrived in Paris after 3 long weeks so the riders ride the stage at a slower tempo. The winner's team have a glass of Champagne during the stage.

They really compete for the stage once they are in Paris but it never affects the rankings.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2012
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SamShark wrote:
For those that dont really follow cycling, why are people saying he's all but won.

Is it because tomorrow's stage is not taken seriously or because he's a long way ahead?


It's not seriously raced by the GC riders. No one would catch Wiggins on the last stage anyway.

Maybe if there was only a second or two margin the precedent could change one year, but it's not really happened.


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SamShark wrote:
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For those that dont really follow cycling, why are people saying he's all but won.

Is it because tomorrow's stage is not taken seriously or because he's a long way ahead?


Tomorrow is a flat stage which will inevitably end in a bunch sprint, with everyone crossing the line in a big group. If you finish in a group you get the same time as the rider at the front, so there won't be opportunities for anyone to gain time on him.

Unless he crashes and can't finish, he will win.


Is a crash unlikely? It always looks a bit hairy when they are all going for it.

Anyway, all being well a nice boost for British sport just before the Olympics.


Very unlikely indeed


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Anyway, all being well a nice boost for British sport just before the Olympics.

A British win in cycling at the Olympics would be completely anecdotical compared to what Wiggins has done today. He is forever in the UK's sports Hall of Fame now, probably top10 legendary performances of your country all sports included.


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SamShark wrote:
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For those that dont really follow cycling, why are people saying he's all but won.

Is it because tomorrow's stage is not taken seriously or because he's a long way ahead?


Tomorrow is a flat stage which will inevitably end in a bunch sprint, with everyone crossing the line in a big group. If you finish in a group you get the same time as the rider at the front, so there won't be opportunities for anyone to gain time on him.

Unless he crashes and can't finish, he will win.


Is a crash unlikely? It always looks a bit hairy when they are all going for it.

Anyway, all being well a nice boost for British sport just before the Olympics.


Even if he did crash I can't see him losing 3 minutes and peloton etiquette being what it is, I doubt anyone would attack if he went down. Like Xupi says, the tour is never won or lost on the last day ('89 aside), it's essentially a procession with a sprint at the end.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2012
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Xupi wrote:
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Anyway, all being well a nice boost for British sport just before the Olympics.

A British win in cycling at the Olympics would be completely anecdotical compared to what Wiggins has done today. He is forever in the UK's sports Hall of Fame now, probably top10 legendary performances of your country all sports included.


Perhaps so?

I've certainly heard more people talking about cycling in the last couple of weeks but I reckon for many (including me) the Tour de France is the only cycling event they have heard of.

Must be nailed on for Sports Personality of the Year :o


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SamShark wrote:
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Anyway, all being well a nice boost for British sport just before the Olympics.

A British win in cycling at the Olympics would be completely anecdotical compared to what Wiggins has done today. He is forever in the UK's sports Hall of Fame now, probably top10 legendary performances of your country all sports included.


Perhaps so?

I've certainly heard more people talking about cycling in the last couple of weeks but I reckon for many (including me) the Tour de France is the only cycling event they have heard of.

Must be nailed on for Sports Personality of the Year :o



Of course. Don't underestimate how huge cycling is really, huge sport globally and the TDF is the pinnacle. Roche's win in 87 was Irelands greatest ever sporting moment.

England/Britain has the WC in 66 and RWC in 03, Redgrave's feats, this is up there.


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SamShark wrote:
Perhaps so?

I've certainly heard more people talking about cycling in the last couple of weeks but I reckon for many (including me) the Tour de France is the only cycling event they have heard of.

Must be nailed on for Sports Personality of the Year :o

I know there's a long way to go for cylcing to be part of UK's culture, but the TdF is the 3rd most watched event world wide, and it is one of the oldest and I would say one of the most venerable sports event in History. It is also athletically incredibly challenging over a long 3 weeks period. Win one of your into sports legend.


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The most combative rider o fthe Tour has been elected and it's ... Chris Anker Sorensen (Saxo).

It's kind of a surprised as Thomas Voeckler was the big favourite and Luis Leon Sanchez also had a good chance.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2012
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Ireland's Call wrote:
SamShark wrote:
Xupi wrote:
SamShark wrote:
Anyway, all being well a nice boost for British sport just before the Olympics.

A British win in cycling at the Olympics would be completely anecdotical compared to what Wiggins has done today. He is forever in the UK's sports Hall of Fame now, probably top10 legendary performances of your country all sports included.


Perhaps so?

I've certainly heard more people talking about cycling in the last couple of weeks but I reckon for many (including me) the Tour de France is the only cycling event they have heard of.

Must be nailed on for Sports Personality of the Year :o



Of course. Don't underestimate how huge cycling is really, huge sport globally and the TDF is the pinnacle. Roche's win in 87 was Irelands greatest ever sporting moment.

England/Britain has the WC in 66 and RWC in 03, Redgrave's feats, this is up there.


I agree that it's an incredible feat to win the tdf.

In terms of the national consciousness i reckon Ashes 2005 could be up there.


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Frog Flair wrote:
The most combative rider o fthe Tour has been elected and it's ... Chris Anker Sorensen (Saxo).

It's kind of a surprised as Thomas Voeckler was the big favourite and Luis Leon Sanchez also had a good chance.

I can understand the jury, he's been on the attack practically all the time and won nothing. The other two have had victories already...

My Thierry Adam should be fired, he is not up to his job. The man is a journalist and he is unable to look at a ranking and do 2+2 to tell you who has passed who. A 10 year-old could do it. He leaves it to Jalabert, who's the race consultant, to do the maths. This is so humiliating for all the people watching, I just don't get it.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2012
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Xupi wrote:
Frog Flair wrote:
The most combative rider o fthe Tour has been elected and it's ... Chris Anker Sorensen (Saxo).

It's kind of a surprised as Thomas Voeckler was the big favourite and Luis Leon Sanchez also had a good chance.

I can understand the jury, he's been on the attack practically all the time and won nothing. The other two have had victories already...

My Thierry Adam should be fired, he is not up to his job. The man is a journalist and he is unable to look at a ranking and do 2+2 to tell you who has passed who. A 10 year-old could do it. He leaves it to Jalabert, who's the race consultant, to do the maths. This is so humiliating for all the people watching, I just don't get it.


I am not a fan of Thierry Adam. I don't know why France TV put him on the job after Christian Prud'hommes left to be director of the TDF. Jalabert is good. He doesn't mind criticising riders and team's strategies, he even goes as far as raising doubts on some riders. I remember how he went crazy when Richie Porte and Christian Knees led the peloton in the Alps.


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Frog Flair wrote:
I am not a fan of Thierry Adam. I don't know why France TV put him on the job after Christian Prud'hommes left to be director of the TDF. Jalabert is good. He doesn't mind criticising riders and team's strategies, he even goes as far as raising doubts on some riders. I remember how he went crazy when Richie Porte and Christian Knees led the peloton in the Alps.

Jalabert is excellent: smart, focused, speaks perfectly the language, usually spot on in his analysis. All the other F2 journalists are past incompetent and annoying it is unbelievable (except Ollivier who's a legend and a joy to hear).


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Outstanding ride by Wiggo. He absolutely crushed everyone in the TT and stamped his authority all over the race.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2012
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Xupi wrote:
SamShark wrote:
Anyway, all being well a nice boost for British sport just before the Olympics.

A British win in cycling at the Olympics would be completely anecdotical compared to what Wiggins has done today. He is forever in the UK's sports Hall of Fame now, probably top10 legendary performances of your country all sports included.


Easy Tiger - a TDF win doesn't automatically do that.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2012
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Xupi wrote:
SamShark wrote:
Anyway, all being well a nice boost for British sport just before the Olympics.

A British win in cycling at the Olympics would be completely anecdotical compared to what Wiggins has done today. He is forever in the UK's sports Hall of Fame now, probably top10 legendary performances of your country all sports included.

Funny isn't it. A win in the Olympics would surely be watched and remembered by many many more people than one in the tour.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2012
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jrp wrote:
Xupi wrote:
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Anyway, all being well a nice boost for British sport just before the Olympics.

A British win in cycling at the Olympics would be completely anecdotical compared to what Wiggins has done today. He is forever in the UK's sports Hall of Fame now, probably top10 legendary performances of your country all sports included.


Easy Tiger - a TDF win doesn't automatically do that.


This win may have a long-term effect on the sport in Britain, where it has been growing over the last 5-10 years anyway - we now have a World Champion and a Tour de France winner in the same year and both are serious medal prospects for the Olympics.

Doubt it will ever be as popular as it is on the continent, but this may well be the catalyst for pro cycling coming into the mainstream conscious here.


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Funny isn't it. A win in the Olympics would surely be watched and remembered by many many more people than one in the tour.

Wolrd wide? No definitely not. Watched by more in the Uk, maybe. Remembered by ore in the UK, doubt it but don't know exactly what exposure TdF is being given there this year.


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jrp wrote:
Easy Tiger - a TDF win doesn't automatically do that.

"A" win, no but the frst win ever, quite possible. A contender surely.


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 Post subject: Re: Tour de France 2012
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Funny isn't it. A win in the Olympics would surely be watched and remembered by many many more people than one in the tour.

Wolrd wide? No definitely not. Watched by more in the Uk, maybe. Remembered by ore in the UK, doubt it but don't know exactly what exposure TdF is being given there this year.

We were talking British people. Fuck the world. Millions of Brits who hardly ever watch sport will be going wall to wall with the Olympics.


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Funny isn't it. A win in the Olympics would surely be watched and remembered by many many more people than one in the tour.

Wolrd wide? No definitely not. Watched by more in the Uk, maybe. Remembered by ore in the UK, doubt it but don't know exactly what exposure TdF is being given there this year.

What do you mean this year. It's on channel 4. It's bloody cycling. It's mean just a little bit more than fuck all


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Wait a while until the Sky doping scandal explodes, then yeah, they will be remembered.


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Anonymous wrote:
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Funny isn't it. A win in the Olympics would surely be watched and remembered by many many more people than one in the tour.

Wolrd wide? No definitely not. Watched by more in the Uk, maybe. Remembered by ore in the UK, doubt it but don't know exactly what exposure TdF is being given there this year.

What do you mean this year. It's on channel 4. It's bloody cycling. It's mean just a little bit more than fuck all


What is on Channel 4? If you mean the TDF, I just watched it on ITV.


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Funny isn't it. A win in the Olympics would surely be watched and remembered by many many more people than one in the tour.

Wolrd wide? No definitely not. Watched by more in the Uk, maybe. Remembered by ore in the UK, doubt it but don't know exactly what exposure TdF is being given there this year.

What do you mean this year. It's on channel 4. It's bloody cycling. It's mean just a little bit more than fuck all

Today and tomorrow's stages are live on ITV1 .. before that it's been on ITV4, Eurosport and Channel 4. I'd wager the bandwagon's creaking.


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Wait a while until the Sky doping scandal explodes, then yeah, they will be remembered.

Do you know anything about the team setup? The thought of Brailsford and his charges being involved in doping is simply ludicrous.


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Whoever said Wiggo and Froomedog don't get on...

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Mick Mannock wrote:
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Funny isn't it. A win in the Olympics would surely be watched and remembered by many many more people than one in the tour.

Wolrd wide? No definitely not. Watched by more in the Uk, maybe. Remembered by ore in the UK, doubt it but don't know exactly what exposure TdF is being given there this year.

What do you mean this year. It's on channel 4. It's bloody cycling. It's mean just a little bit more than fuck all


What is on Channel 4? If you mean the TDF, I just watched it on ITV.

ITV4 is even lower than channel 4


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Xupi wrote:
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Funny isn't it. A win in the Olympics would surely be watched and remembered by many many more people than one in the tour.

Wolrd wide? No definitely not. Watched by more in the Uk, maybe. Remembered by ore in the UK, doubt it but don't know exactly what exposure TdF is being given there this year.

What do you mean this year. It's on channel 4. It's bloody cycling. It's mean just a little bit more than fuck all

Today and tomorrow's stages are live on ITV1 .. before that it's been on ITV4, Eurosport and Channel 4. I'd wager the bandwagon's creaking.

And what will people see tomorrow a pile of poo. Next year it will have a much higher profile as long as long as we have someone in with a real shout.
Is it right that it will suite Froome next year more than Wiggins. If Froome hadn't punctured in the first time trial he would have been nursing Wiggins up the mountains even though he was only 30 seconds behind him.


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Funny isn't it. A win in the Olympics would surely be watched and remembered by many many more people than one in the tour.

Wolrd wide? No definitely not. Watched by more in the Uk, maybe. Remembered by ore in the UK, doubt it but don't know exactly what exposure TdF is being given there this year.

What do you mean this year. It's on channel 4. It's bloody cycling. It's mean just a little bit more than fuck all

Today and tomorrow's stages are live on ITV1 .. before that it's been on ITV4, Eurosport and Channel 4. I'd wager the bandwagon's creaking.

And what will people see tomorrow a pile of poo. Next year it will have a much higher profile as long as long as we have someone in with a real shout.
Is it right that it will suite Froome next year more than Wiggins. If Froome hadn't punctured in the first time trial he would have been nursing Wiggins up the mountains even though he was only 30 seconds behind him.


What the fuck are you smoking?


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If you are not into cycling and have not been watching the tour and you tune into the final stage tomorrow it's not going to be great sporting drama is it.


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If you are not into cycling and have not been watching the tour and you tune into the final stage tomorrow it's not going to be great sporting drama is it.

Up until Mark Cavendish is launched for the line.


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If you are not into cycling and have not been watching the tour and you tune into the final stage tomorrow it's not going to be great sporting drama is it.

Up until Mark Cavendish is launched for the line.

a number of spoilers rested today ...

Vino would be a nice one...


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If you are not into cycling and have not been watching the tour and you tune into the final stage tomorrow it's not going to be great sporting drama is it.

Up until Mark Cavendish is launched for the line.


Which will be the highlight of the tour for me if he does, 4 wins on the bounce Champs-Elysees and clear fourth for stage wins, incredible record.


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If you are not into cycling and have not been watching the tour and you tune into the final stage tomorrow it's not going to be great sporting drama is it.

Up until Mark Cavendish is launched for the line.

Well we will both be watching and waiting for the mad dash at the end. I just wonder how many people who tuned in to see a race will still be watching by then


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Great ride by Wiggins today. A deserving tour winner, even if it wasn't a memorable tour. Next year is shaping up nicely given the route that's being rumoured and the number of potential GC contenders assuming all are fit/not banned.


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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins ... -human-now

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Sky’s cerebral but romance-free approach has hardly thrilled the neutral over the past three weeks, but Wiggins looked to place his win in the context of the ongoing fight against doping. “When we were riding on the front at 450 watts or whatever, someone would attack and Mick Rogers would say ‘just leave him, he can’t sustain it,’” Wiggins said.

“Someone is going to have to sustain 500 watts over 20 minutes of a climb to stay away which is not possible anymore unless you’ve got a couple of extra litres of blood. That’s the reality of it. It really is.

“It’s all these small little percentages that make the difference in sport. That’s our philosophy at Sky and at the start we got laughed at, small things like the warming down.”


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TBH I'd be pretty annoyed about all this if I was Wiggo, yes he's had help from an outstanding gregario but he has ended up destroying his rivals through the mountains, and that is not all Froome. I hope he puts down a big marker in the TT just to make the point that he deserves this MJ.
Best reply he could give actually, crush the opposition and his teammate...
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Any thoughts on who will win the TT tomorrow? I imagine it'll be hard for Wiggin's to push it to the absolute max with a two minute cushion. I wouldn't be surprised to see Froome absolutely nail it to the wall. He's got stronger and stronger and appears to have loads left in those long legs.
Wiggins. He cannot afford to be beaten by Froome on this one, he will be out there to destroy everything: >1' on Froome.
Prescient :thumbup:

Wiggins has dominated this tour and more importantly, this entire season! No one has ever won Paris-Nice, Tour de Romandie, Critérium du Dauphiné and le Tour in the same year in the history of the sport. I'd say he (and Sky) deserve all kudos for man shaming, prison style, all their rivals.

Finally, we don't know how well Wiggins might be able to climb this year because he's been able to beat everyone without taking the risk...


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